Someone Copying BIC?
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That guys is banned here. He started spamming members via PM to sell his crap.
Link obscured to not drive any more business towards that asshole.
Link obscured to not drive any more business towards that asshole.
Supracentral said:
yeah..thats why i posed in offtopic, thought less people are on this section and dont want BIC to loose his buisness.
theKnifeArtist said:
Copying BIC was bad enough. But the behavior he showed here was completely unacceptable. After he spammed a member. They posted about it. He used the "report a post" feature of the site to complain that someone complained about his spam!
Amazing asshole.
bigaaron said:
I'm pretty sure TheKnifeArtist had never heard of this drama. Many people havent. I broke the link so it doesn't direct to that guy anymore.
Not quite accurate. Patents make into law an issue that is morally right in the first place.HellsLegion said:
Someone who is making money by copying someone else's R&D work, then undercutting the pricing from the guys who put the work into it, is morally wrong, whether the item in question is patented or not.
You can tell a lot about someone's character based on this... the asshat in question here, for instance, had no problems stealing a design idea from one of our members and copying it for his own personal profit. That was bad enough - but then he went further and complained about how he was being treated. Seemed to be of the opinion that he deserves to make money off other people's backs... he would be right at home a couple hundred years ago, when he could have been making money off the backs of the slaves he owned.
GrimJack said:
Point taken, Not to bring the argument back into place or anything, but its not like a divorced downpipe hasn't been done before.
You are right there - and as I recall, there is even another place doing divorced pipes for the CT26 now, too - the difference there is that if you examine his and Randy's, they aren't exactly the same.
This ebay guy - if you put his next to Randy's, the differences are minimal - like he didn't weld on a flange at the converter end. Other than that, it's using the same pieces of pipe, cut in the same sections, etc.
This ebay guy - if you put his next to Randy's, the differences are minimal - like he didn't weld on a flange at the converter end. Other than that, it's using the same pieces of pipe, cut in the same sections, etc.
I'm sorry to say this, but thats business. Peoples products are being copied every day, only to be improved upon. This is called a perfectly competitive market. Whether we like it or not, someone is going to make a product more superior than what is already out there. If they didn't, we would be stuck in the stone age with inferior parts that cost way too much than they should. What <no name> has done for us is innovated and brought us something of better quality, and that is less expensive than the stone age technology. I talk to <no name> very often on AIM and he is a standup guy. I'm not saying hes an angel. He definately should have not spammed members on this board, but what's done is done.
This argument is like saying I hate ssautochrome because they copied greddy's manifold. It's the same idea. How many people are using ssac manifolds? I would say at least 70% of the population who are either T4 or are going the T4 route.
The majority of the body kits made for our cars have been replicated. I repeat, "replicated"
Definition from Dictionary.com
- To duplicate, copy, reproduce, or repeat.
Why have they been replicated? They have been replicated because first off, the pieces are way too expensive from the factory and second, with new technology, body pieces can be made to twist and bend and withstand tons of impact. Wouldn't you like a flexible replica that costs half the price? I know I would!
This, once again ladies and lentlemen is innovation at it's finest.
We will still get our fair share of complainers who think its morally wrong etc., but at the end of the day, unfortunately, this is how business works whether we like it or not. People are copying other peoples idea's and products as we speak. We see it every single day, we just don't realize it. Almost everything we buy, is a copy of something else, it's just innovated upon.
So, do me a favour, when you walk into your automotive store, home depot, etc. look at the first product you pick up and tell me that this product is not available by another company that happens to look the same in dimensions, but may just have a color change or hey! maybe even a new swivel feature that wasn't on the old one!
Business 101
This argument is like saying I hate ssautochrome because they copied greddy's manifold. It's the same idea. How many people are using ssac manifolds? I would say at least 70% of the population who are either T4 or are going the T4 route.
The majority of the body kits made for our cars have been replicated. I repeat, "replicated"
Definition from Dictionary.com
- To duplicate, copy, reproduce, or repeat.
Why have they been replicated? They have been replicated because first off, the pieces are way too expensive from the factory and second, with new technology, body pieces can be made to twist and bend and withstand tons of impact. Wouldn't you like a flexible replica that costs half the price? I know I would!
This, once again ladies and lentlemen is innovation at it's finest.
We will still get our fair share of complainers who think its morally wrong etc., but at the end of the day, unfortunately, this is how business works whether we like it or not. People are copying other peoples idea's and products as we speak. We see it every single day, we just don't realize it. Almost everything we buy, is a copy of something else, it's just innovated upon.
So, do me a favour, when you walk into your automotive store, home depot, etc. look at the first product you pick up and tell me that this product is not available by another company that happens to look the same in dimensions, but may just have a color change or hey! maybe even a new swivel feature that wasn't on the old one!
Business 101
This is also correct... mostly.
There is a reason why you can get a patent on something as long as it's deemed to be a big enough improvement over someone else's patent, this is to help foster innovation.
Most of the body kits, manifolds, etc, are beyond the protection that would be offered by patents anyway, patents only cover the inventor for a 20 year term from the date of application. Even if they weren't patented - which is likely, given the cost of filing for patents in the mid 80s - the moral obligation to let the inventor profit from the idea would be expired as well.
As for this being business 101, I suspect that explains why I'm not a businessman, and won't likely be one in the future - I haven't the stomach required to be successful at it.
I like to think that we are trying to build a better community here. And I like to think that better communities don't steal from each other. Of course, this being a public group, you're all welcome to throw your weight towards one ideal or another, and 20 years down the road we can look back and see how well it worked.
There is a reason why you can get a patent on something as long as it's deemed to be a big enough improvement over someone else's patent, this is to help foster innovation.
Most of the body kits, manifolds, etc, are beyond the protection that would be offered by patents anyway, patents only cover the inventor for a 20 year term from the date of application. Even if they weren't patented - which is likely, given the cost of filing for patents in the mid 80s - the moral obligation to let the inventor profit from the idea would be expired as well.
As for this being business 101, I suspect that explains why I'm not a businessman, and won't likely be one in the future - I haven't the stomach required to be successful at it.
I like to think that we are trying to build a better community here. And I like to think that better communities don't steal from each other. Of course, this being a public group, you're all welcome to throw your weight towards one ideal or another, and 20 years down the road we can look back and see how well it worked.
You're probably right.MKIIINA said:
SC? I'm not Mike... last time I checked, anyway, Mike is a freaking long ways from here.
If anyone wants to discuss intellectual property further, feel free to start a new thread, this one really should be done.
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