shifter spins freely

[legolyle]

so guys, I'm having a simple issue I cant find ANY info on

I've searched and searched and all I can find info on is shifter bushings-thats not my problem.

my problem is that my shifter spins freely, not the knob, but the whole piece.

when I bought the car, they guy claimed it had a short throw-thanks to my limited experience with cars-I have no idea, but I *think* it really does.
Is there a way to tell? haha

see this picture I found on SM:

see the part labeled stainless 303?
that and the "locking nut" spin freely on the shifting rod. I'm not sure how its supposed to be locked down.

Am I going to have to go custom with this?
hole and a setscrew?
or is there something I'm missing here?

thanks guys

 

[IJ.]

Stock they're bonded, a lot of people cutNweld them to shorten the shifter, this destroys the Bond and it spins, another "mod" is they remove that section and weld the threaded part to what's left making it short but this can vibrate/buzz like a bitch at highway speeds...

 

[legolyle]

hm, interesting, alright, well, I might just try re-bonding it or a setscrew, whichever seems easier to do I guess.

there aren't any signs of cutting or welding on this, the thing looks normal, maybe I just got lucky enough to have come across one where the bonds broken?

either way, ill have to bond it I guess.

thanks for the response

 

[IJ.]

Quicker/easier to bin it and get another...

 

[Poodles]

Take a pic, if it's an actual short shifter it might be fixable.

 

[legolyle]

really? can you get them from auto stores?
What would that part be called?

forgive my ignorance please haha

 

[IJ.]

x2 on a pic.

If it's same as above they can be difficult to get to lock up, I had one.

If it's a stock shifter that's been shortened my earlier advice holds.

 

[Moy]

if it's the same one as in the picture you posted, contact George @ Raptor Racing. He's the one that's run the group buys on this shifter, and he will be able to give you the best information about said shifter.

 

[legolyle]

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there ya go, some images, I woulda posted em in the first go, but the DSLR is dead and my phone crapped out on me yesterday, so I hope these arent too bad (even crappier phone :/)

let me know if you'd like anymore, I have a feeling its not a short throw haha

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and I know its not the same as the one in the photo, but it was a good photo too show which part of the shifter was spinning, so yeah...

 

[hvyman]

Uhhh. Ya you need something to hold the 2 pieces together. Welding it, threading both pieces, bonding them, screwing them, throwing it in the trash and buying a used stock one.


Btw your car was orig auto if you didnt know.

Edit: It is a short throw. If you ever been in a mnual truck. Thats what these cars shift like stock. Super long. Not like little civics and eclipses with the tiny throw to begin with.

 

[legolyle]

nice, thats good to hear, the guy didn't lie to me haha.

and yeah, I figured that out after a couple of days...all the loose wires...I've been trying to clean up after the guy who swapped it, left the speedo cable dragging on the ground.

How could ya tell through the pics though? just curious.

threading them is out of the question-its got rubber inside the shifter part.

bonding it SEEMS like the easiest path, but whatever. I'll follow your guys' advice lol

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also, I thought it was a short throw because my friend had a manual geo, hes the only guy I know with a manual >.>
and his throw was realllly long, so I sorta assumed because mine was way shorter, it had to actually be a short throw.

 

[hvyman]

Ya some cars are short stock and other not. We have truck trannys so there long.

The hole for the shifter is smaller on the autos

Edit: IF you have access to a welder or s local shop or machine shop just tacking it in a couple spot would be enough to hold it there.

The rubber part is for vibrations or else it would just be a single piece. You dont get that with fwd because they use a cable to shift and the shifter doesnt actually touch the trans.

 

[CyFi6]

So when you install the upper part onto the shift rod coming out of the transmission and tighten the big locknut, it still spins?

 

[legolyle]

that locknut, its way bigger than the shifting rod. It doesn't do anything but attach to the bottom part of the shifter and sit there....

I sort of assumed that the name "locking nut" would mean something, but I guess not here...

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And I actually do have access to both machine shop and welder, well see, I might just tack it, that would work.

and wow, I had no idea the w58 was a truck tranny as well. Wow, haha, learn something new everyday.

 

[IJ.]

W58 isn't, the R154 's are....

 

[Poodles]

W58 isn't, the R154 's are....

Actually, the W58 is a close gear ratio version of the W50 series, was designed for cars, but it's base is a truck tranny. It's all semantics as the only thing that designates it for it's intended use is the gear ratios (this is the same for all transmissions for the most part)

Anyway, it think you're missing a piece. IIRC there should be a collar that goes between the two threaded pieces that holds onto the shaft when they're tightened (much like a pipe fitting). Haven't seen one of those shifters in a long time though, so my memory is fuzzy.

 

[IJ.]

Name a truck the W58 was fitted to stock

 

[Poodles]

W42 was in early 80's trucks, W52 was in the Hilux, W55 was in 2WD pickups in the late 80's, W56 was their go-to truck transmission, and the W59 is in the current Tacoma

R series transmissions were mostly 4WD truck use though.

Like I said, semantics. They're all made by Aisin and are used in other vehicles as well in many different uses.

 

[IJ.]

Not seeing an "8" in that list Poo

 

[Poodles]

Same basic trans, just different gear ratios