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JMDigital

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My father has been bitten by the bug! He drove my 89 Turbo the other day and now wants to upgrade his. So I have this question

His 7mgte is 100% stock, He does not want to go crazy he is thinking 300hp. to the tires. Can he do this without replaceing the HG. Can he do better head bolts 1 at a time without a new gasket?

This is what I think he may need

LEX AFM
550cc Injectors
SAFC-II
Fuel Pump
DDP
Boost Controller

What do you guys think? I know he HG is important but he really does not want to tear the engine apart.
 

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Yes he can...keep boost under 12-14psi and he will be fine. Consider re-torquing the head bolts to 75 ft/lbs prior to turning up the boost.

You should replace the air filter 1st with one that flows better. 2nd is the downpipe and 3" CAT back...use a single piece DP (or DDP that flows back into the pipe) or a 3" elbow/DP combo. You want the motor flowing well before the fuel mods.

Next, the boost controller...go for 8-10 psi at 1st.

Then the fuel mods...Lex, 550's, AFPR, Walbro pump...bypass or drill out the "J" tube.
(consider the MAFT Pro to eliminate the AFM)

Add the SAFC to control fuel.

Bump the boost up to 12-14, tune SAFC, and enjoy ;)
 

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^^^^word

you prolly dont even really need a MBC

just shim the WG with washers

but yea thats basically it
 

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(maftpro eliminates the afm AND has an safc built in;))

-shaeff
 

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You don't even need lex and 550s. Just use a vpc with stock 440 chip, new fuel pump, dp, exhaust, intake, shimmed wastegate. Instant 300whp.
 

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tubbie said:
You don't even need lex and 550s. Just use a pro with stock 440 injectors, new fuel pump, dp, exhaust, intake, shimmed wastegate. Instant 300whp.


you can do that with newer systems too.. using the same stuff.
 

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In answer to you other question, yes you can take ONE head bolt out at a
time and replace them until they are all replaced. BUT replaced them all at
72ft/lbs, then go to 75, 80, 85, etc. If you're using a stock head gasket then
I'd stick to 75-85 ft/lbs no more. (and not less than 72).

Jeff
 

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johnathan1 said:
If you replace the head bolts...make sure that NOTHING falls into the bolt hole...I have heard that even a drop of oil in there will cause the block to crack when you go to torque the bolt down.

i doubt that, for some reason... anyone have any solid info? infact, i place this high on my list of doubt.

-shaeff
 

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shaeff said:
i doubt that, for some reason... anyone have any solid info? infact, i place this high on my list of doubt.

-shaeff

Few of my bolt holes were full of oil/coolant when I did my first rebuild. When I took it apart a few months later there was no cracks or anything. Alot of the oil gets pushed out when you tighten it down.
 

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Maybe Hardpipes or even intercooler if he feels like going further...

Id do that stuff and see where you guys are at, as someone else said its all about getting the efficiency out of the motor (let the bitch breath). Its the more expensive route, but its all about paying a little extra $ to do it right.
 

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johnathan1 said:
If you replace the head bolts...make sure that NOTHING falls into the bolt hole...I have heard that even a drop of oil in there will cause the block to crack when you go to torque the bolt down.

Chasing the holes is a good idea when using head bolts...it gets any crap out that may cause an in accurate torque reading. For studs, its less of a factor since you are using nuts to provide the clamping force.

But oil...:umno:
Head bolts have to be lubed...ARP specifies oil or moly. Toyota specifies oil. If this were true, proper head bolt installation would cause cracks. Don't think the toyota engineers would design the block that way ;)
 

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JMDigital said:
Ok so here is what I am thinking . I give my father the SAFC-II I have. and get a maft-pro.?

what do you think??


That would be good if you plan on more tuning for your car. And if you have a Lex, give that to him too...with the MAFT Pro, you can eliminate the AFM. I'm pretty sure the MAFT Pro has a boost controller function as well.

On both cars, I'd get a wideband O2...especially for the MAFT. It's the only real way to tell what's happening with your fuel.

Keep in mind running over 14 psi or so on a stock HG will be asking to blow it ;)
 

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the bummer is everyone wants to spend money on go fast parts first and not KNOW where they started from. My buddy let me use his Wideband from the moment I fired my 7MGTE up. Tons of people told me what I would need to do and I didnt NEED to do many of the things most people say is REQUIRED.

If you do one thing BUY A WIDEBAND O2 sensor. You will never regret it.

I had the benifit of a friend to advise me to spend money on what I needed first. Granted my goals were different (higher HP than 300) but mine did + 300 from the day I started it.

After seeing first hand and using a Wideband from almost day 1 I still have yet to NEED a fuel controller.

Let me first qualify that all of this stuff was done on my highly modified 1971 Datsun 240Z with a 7MGTE in it. Here are the mods that netted me 335 to the rear wheels with NO tuning what so ever.

1. A 3 inch custom mandrel bent exhaust.
2. A full Garrett/Turbonetics T4 60-1 turbo with an ebay 35mm wastegate (tial copy) set to 10 psi
3. Huge intercooler 24"x12"x4 inch core (ebay)
4. 3 inch plumbing to and from intercooler
4. Lexus AFM
5. A walbro fuel pump with a relay run with a huge 4 gage wire to the fuel pump to make sure there was no drop in fuel pump voltage.

Remember I have done NO, I repeat NO mods to fuel tuning or with a fuel controller, ALL WITH STOCK 440 INJECTORS.

Before you jump my stuff let me explain. Since the Z/7M swap I have purchased an 89 turbo MK3 that is bone stock except for some washers that the previous owner installed on the turbo wastegate. I am planning on documenting my HP and Mods to show the cheapest safest way to make more horsepower notch by notch dollar by dollar until about 550RWHP. Since I have already come close in the Z with the 7MGTE I believe I have a good idea of the first best mods and the best bang for the buck. Here they are in the order I will change them on the MK3.

1st, In my opinion the easiest very cheapest thing is obviously the wastegate. You can shim it or you can do something much more easily adjustable like this (still looking for photo).

2nd, in my opinion, should be the exhaust.

3rd, should be the Intercooler plumbing with an obvious Ail filter upgrade. The intercooler seems to be pretty efficient up to around 350+ RWHP in my opinion.

4th, a Lexus Air flow meter. Remember I have a Lexus AFM and no 550's (yet) with excellent results and perfect A/F ratios, this will suspend fuel cut a solid measure above the stock AFM.

And most likely a fuel pump when the need arises.

All the while monitoring Wideband O2 sensor, Intercooler outlet temps and fuel pressure in that order. In my opinion the stock CT-26 should be good for 300RWHP no problem, how long it lasts will depend on how well it was treated previously and how hard you beat it later.

I hope to prove my supositions with testing and Dyno Data. I will post my findings here as soon as I do each test.
 
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