My turbo ate itself.......

Wendigo

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OKay background:
Had MDC rebuild my turbo during my engine buildup.
Engine has run a total of MAYBE 30 minutes, with turbo spooling MAYBE 1 minute.
Pulled accordian hose, intake blades MANGLED. side to side and for to aft shaft play. (that was not there before)
I had inspected full intake assembly for debris (FOD) before assembly.
Does anyone have an idea what may have happened?
 

Disced

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something got sucked in... Store your filter in a dirty place?

Cracked?

Something had to be in there...
 

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Disced said:
something got sucked in... Store your filter in a dirty place?

Cracked?

Something had to be in there...

When turbos die, they usually fail in the first few minutes. If you have alot of shaft play, it sounds like your bearings failed and the compressor hit the housing.


Don't panic and get in touch with MDC and let him sort it out before you post up a bunch of negativity.


I've had a turbo from MDC fail too and he's been working with me, and me with him to get it repaired correctly. Sorry to hear about your problem.
 

jtamulis

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Sounds like the turbo wasn't primed correctly, which is also the #1 cause of
turbo failure. Stop running the car and take the turbo off. MDC's warranty
doesn't cover oil starvation (which is easily checked to see if that was the
problem), but even if you DID starve and it's not under warranty, Jon useually
rebuilds them for parts +$40. The other problem could be that when the
motor was broken in, there is useualy a lot of contaminates floating in the
oil which could have gunked up the bearings.

In order to prime your turbo you should crank the engine until you see oil
pressure on the guage (without starting it, EFI fuse pulled). And then let
the car rest for a min. You need to do that 8 TIMES, that gets the oil up
into the oil feed line for the turbo, and primes the turbo. If you installed the
turbo, and cranked the motor, and let it start and idle at 1500rpm, that turbo
was dead 30-45 seconds later. THEN it gets it oil... You can see the
problem. It's like running an engine without oil that has NEVER HAD any oil in
it after a fresh rebuild and letting it idle for 5 min. (turbos spin at 5k+RPM at
engine idle).

That being said its very easy to find out what the cause of the turbo failure was.
Jon takes them apart, if the bearings don't have oil on both sides, it was started
dry, if the seals have large chucnks out of them, then it's crap in your oil. If there
is oil on both sides of the bearings and throughout, then it was started, spun up to
5000rpm+ (turbo rpm not engine rpm), but the oil is completely broken down due to
heat, then it means the turbo was running it's ass off without oil cooling or lubrication
and then got it at the last min before it died.

Jon has successfully told me when I was using good oil/shitty oil, when I was running lean
when I had crap in my oil, AND told me my head gasket was failing, on 4-5 different turbos
and correct every time. It's like a damn CSI: episode!

Again, that being said, I'm sure Jon will worth with you on it.

Jeff
 
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jtamulis said:
Sounds like the turbo wasn't primed correctly, which is also the #1 cause of
turbo failure. Stop running the car and take the turbo off. MDC's warranty
doesn't cover oil starvation (which is easily checked to see if that was the
problem), but even if you DID starve and it's not under warranty, Jon useually
rebuilds them for parts +$40. The other problem could be that when the
motor was broken in, there is useualy a lot of contaminates floating in the
oil which could have gunked up the bearings.

In order to prime your turbo you should crank the engine until you see oil
pressure on the guage (without starting it, EFI fuse pulled). And then let
the car rest for a min. You need to do that 8 TIMES, that gets the oil up
into the oil feed line for the turbo, and primes the turbo. If you installed the
turbo, and cranked the motor, and let it start and idle at 1500rpm, that turbo
was dead 30-45 seconds later. THEN it gets it oil... You can see the
problem. It's like running an engine without oil that has NEVER HAD any oil in
it after a fresh rebuild and letting it idle for 5 min. (turbos spin at 5k+RPM at
engine idle).

That being said its very easy to find out what the cause of the turbo failure was.
Jon takes them apart, if the bearings don't have oil on both sides, it was started
dry, if the seals have large chucnks out of them, then it's crap in your oil. If there
is oil on both sides of the bearings and throughout, then it was started, spun up to
5000rpm+ (turbo rpm not engine rpm), but the oil is completely broken down due to
heat, then it means the turbo was running it's ass off without oil cooling or lubrication
and then got it at the last min before it died.

Jon has successfully told me when I was using good oil/shitty oil, when I was running lean
when I had crap in my oil, AND told me my head gasket was failing, on 4-5 different turbos
and correct every time. It's like a damn CSI: episode!

Again, that being said, I'm sure Jon will worth with you on it.

Jeff

As Jeff said, send it back.

I can tell you every thing thats wrong with it or what happend.
 

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jtamulis said:
Sounds like the turbo wasn't primed correctly, which is also the #1 cause of
turbo failure. Stop running the car and take the turbo off. MDC's warranty
doesn't cover oil starvation (which is easily checked to see if that was the
problem), but even if you DID starve and it's not under warranty, Jon useually
rebuilds them for parts +$40. The other problem could be that when the
motor was broken in, there is useualy a lot of contaminates floating in the
oil which could have gunked up the bearings.

In order to prime your turbo you should crank the engine until you see oil
pressure on the guage (without starting it, EFI fuse pulled). And then let
the car rest for a min. You need to do that 8 TIMES, that gets the oil up
into the oil feed line for the turbo, and primes the turbo. If you installed the
turbo, and cranked the motor, and let it start and idle at 1500rpm, that turbo
was dead 30-45 seconds later. THEN it gets it oil... You can see the
problem. It's like running an engine without oil that has NEVER HAD any oil in
it after a fresh rebuild and letting it idle for 5 min. (turbos spin at 5k+RPM at
engine idle).

That being said its very easy to find out what the cause of the turbo failure was.
Jon takes them apart, if the bearings don't have oil on both sides, it was started
dry, if the seals have large chucnks out of them, then it's crap in your oil. If there
is oil on both sides of the bearings and throughout, then it was started, spun up to
5000rpm+ (turbo rpm not engine rpm), but the oil is completely broken down due to
heat, then it means the turbo was running it's ass off without oil cooling or lubrication
and then got it at the last min before it died.

Jon has successfully told me when I was using good oil/shitty oil, when I was running lean
when I had crap in my oil, AND told me my head gasket was failing, on 4-5 different turbos
and correct every time. It's like a damn CSI: episode!

Again, that being said, I'm sure Jon will worth with you on it.

Jeff
Thanks Grisolm.................:biglaugh:

Sorry to hear about your turbo failure. I know that sucks. Getting that close to driving it and then that happens. Good luck getting it fixed and installed.
 

supraman502

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you might want to check into where your buying your oil from, they might be doing the old swap a roo, putting bad oil in the good oil containers
 

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supraman502 said:
you might want to check into where your buying your oil from, they might be doing the old swap a roo, putting bad oil in the good oil containers


HARDY HAR HARD.

You funny man you.


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