Is my job ripping me off?

theKnifeArtist

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So i'm an audi tech at a big stealership in my area.

To avoid retyping this whole thing again, here's an exerp from an email i sent to teacher about my situation.

"Working there was nice, except for one thing. The lot. New cars keep comming in and they're not exactly going out. The cars are parked inches from each other and there's barely enough room to just navigate around the lot. A number of times i found myself spending 70 TU getting the car out and 30 to do the actual prep, hah. So one day, i'm parking a new A4 i just prepped and the all the spots to park are filled, except for one. The car had to fit right there. Needless to say, it didn't fit. One A4 ended up with a scratch in the bumper and the other had fender damage. I let them know about the damage and was told that I would hear from my boss when i returned to the service center. I am being charged 1,100 dollars for damaged cars. I had to agree on a $75 a week payment plan in a pressured meeting with two bosses.
First of all, i know body work is expensive, but that total WITH 'dealership discounts' seems excessive.
Just last week, one of the new lot guys BUMPED a car and was charged 3,000 for body and TURBO damage. Now we're getting a little out of hand.
I asked my boss for all the paperwork with reciepts for the damage and i got two invoices, basically noting front bumper damage and one noting fender damage. All of the paperwork i recieved was fabricated through Jack Daniels Motors and nothing from the body shop. There is nothing filled out for either papers including parts prices and labor times, etc. There is just a written price of 350 on one and 750 on the other. Thats not acceptable. I asked where the rest of the specifics were, and i was told that was it.
Isn't this illegal? Isn't this what insurance is for? I've been paying for three weeks now and i just started questioning the legitamecy of this situation. There is a passage i read in the handbook refering to damage being the responsibility of the employee and covering deductibles, but i still don't think this is exactly legit.
I want to know how i should get involved in this situation and how it may affect my audi academy contract if something gets ugly. Please let me know your take on this situation."


Here's some pictures. It makes any thread better. i was gonna take pictures of the lame invoices, but now i really don't feel like it. If someone wants to see it, I'll do it.
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Please discuss. Any comments/suggestions appreciated.
 

noah89t

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this is a sad situation, if this were someone else, you could pay the deductible and insurance would cover the rest.

the dealership should have insurance to cover any damage that occurs to any vehicle on the lot, including weather, drunk drivers and random people pulling in to check out new vehicles.

too bad there aren't any lawyers on this forum.
 

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theKnifeArtist;1214909 said:
Isn't this what insurance is for? There is a passage i read in the handbook refering to damage being the responsibility of the employee and covering deductibles,

Can you quote this passage, or is this something you saw once, and aren't able to see again since you signed it? My opinion is that covering their deductible should be enough. I guaranty you the dealership is insured. Also, does the dealership not do their own body work? An unitemized receipt from the boss's buddy at a body shop should not fly.
 

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buckshotglass;1214934 said:
I always thought they can fire you, but not charge you for screwing up on a job.

I agree with this guy, this is like charging a waiter if he drops a plate. They can't legally do that in canada i dk about the states. Shit happens theres no way u could work in suck a environment and not have something like this happen.
 

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EthanMKIII;1214992 said:
I agree with this guy, this is like charging a waiter if he drops a plate. They can't legally do that in canada i dk about the states. Shit happens theres no way u could work in suck a environment and not have something like this happen.

Depends on your employment agreement.

I know for a fact that the dealership I work at has forms signed upon start of employment stating that it may be the responsibility of the employee to cover the insurance deductible in the event they damage a vehicle.

$1100 does not sound too high at all for the damage caused, it sounds on par for what it would cost IMO. $1100 does sound higher than a normal deductible though, so it's possible the dealership just had you pay for the whole thing instead of going through their insurance provider. I'd want to find out for sure.

That being said, I would speak with whoever is in Human Resources and find out what the dealership policy is on this, and what the dealership's deductible is, etc.

It's certainly possible that this is legit, but it's also possible that it is not. Can't say for sure without specific information about employment regulations in your area and liability waivers, etc signed upon employment agreement.

Jeff
 

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You may want to request from human resources your employment contract. If they are unable to supply that part that you are PERSONALLY responsible for damage and they are not required to have insurance on there own employees and vehicles...maybe lawsuit...really depends what you signed when you were employed. Contracts don't seem to mean much anymore...like morgatages but they hired you to do a job, if a vehicle got damaged in the process they depending on your contract have to claim it through insurance or do the repair under the books to be able to sell the vehicle as new
 

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When I worked for Toyota, I signed a form stating I could be held financially responsible if I damaged any vehicle on the lot.

That being said, when I worked there I watched two people ruin bumpers and fenders each totaling over 1000 bucks and they did not pay a dime. You had to make a habit of dinging cars to get charged for anything.

I had cool bosses, though. :dunno:
 

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suprarx7nut;1215034 said:
When I worked for Toyota, I signed a form stating I could be held financially responsible if I damaged any vehicle on the lot.

That being said, when I worked there I watched two people ruin bumpers and fenders each totaling over 1000 bucks and they did not pay a dime. You had to make a habit of dinging cars to get charged for anything.

I had cool bosses, though. :dunno:


When I was 16 I worked at Acura and smashed up a brand new RL and they didn't make me pay anything and didn't fire me :naughty:

When I worked at Toyota and watched my brother back into a car and both were brand new... He didn't get fired and didn't have to pay anything... Sucks that sounds a bit steep 1100 dollars sounds like someone is pulling your leg!
 

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That sucks, ive found car dealership owners/managers to be much more understandable about these things and very generous. If I ever lose my job in the industry I am in, im going straight to the dealerships.

If I were you I would just see about another job with a differen't dealer. Screw them.
 

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iMike_G.;1215067 said:
Dam that's messed. I just wouldn't of said anything and if they asked how it happen I would have denied every thing.

Yeah, just go through life never facing your responsibilities and see how that turns out for you......:3d_frown:
 

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suprahero;1215122 said:
Yeah, just go through life never facing your responsibilities and see how that turns out for you......:3d_frown:

Agreed.
 

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suprahero;1215122 said:
Yeah, just go through life never facing your responsibilities and see how that turns out for you......:3d_frown:

Not to mention he most likely have signed paperwork which holds him legally responsible for paying back damages on the job...

Leave the job and say "fuck you" and he may end up with a warrant...
 

theKnifeArtist

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Thanks everyone for the replies!

Here is the passage quoted from my employee handbook:
Any damage to a company/leased vehicle caused by employee carelessness or misjudgement is the responsibility of the employee. This includes deductibles up to the first $2,000 per incident.

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Okay so..
I have to find out the name of the insurance company and figure out what kind of a deductable they pay.
I also have to find out how/if the insurance company was involved. If not, WHY NOT.
Think their gonna disclose that info? hmm.