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supraman7mgte

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I have a general understanding of what fuel cut is,but can someone here better explain it to me and how to get rid of it? I put on a Jonez MBC a few weeks ago,and I made 12 psi fine. Now i'm cutting out when I really lay on the throttle. I took off the MBC just to be sure,and boosted to 5-6 with no problem!
 

Mr.PFloyd

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supraman7mgte said:
Stock fuel system throughout!
But I have a K&N FIPK, polished afm (inside),Suprasport 3" elbow flowing through a 3" cat back,all working with a jonez MBC.
dont touch the fuel cut then, stock pump will only hold up to 11 safely. also i made a thread abotu a DIY FCD that shoudl work with our mark 3's.
 

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fuel cut is your friend, ESPECIALLY on a stock fuel system. that pump is probably 20 years old! i wouldn't trust it as far as i can spit...

-shaeff
 

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First things first, check for boost leaks.

Fuel cut is determined by a number of different inputs, intake air, volume of air, coolant temp, throttle, rpm, etc.

FC is obviously protection against leaning out your motor. (catastrphic failure comes to mind. IE: wastegate actuator hose cut/melted.)

There are a few ways to get past FC, all the 'safe' forms involve scaling the airflow signal the ECU 'see's' (via airflow signal). I'll get back to this in a minute.

Why FCD is a No-NO! The FCD basically goes in between the AFM and the ECU and does not allow the airflow signal to go above XX amount of airflow. XX is right before fuel cut.. therefore fuel cut is not triggered. The problem with this is the ECU see's XX airflow, if there is additional airflow, the ECU is NOT dumping the fuel to compensate for it because it doesnt 'see' it. If you have boost creep this is especially bad. (see dyno graph of boost creep+FCD = lean!)

Lexus AFM + 550's. allows more boost because the AFM is 25ish% bigger, you pair it with 550's because they are 25% bigger as well. This allows the right balance of airflow and fuel (by theory at least). This is an example of scaling the airflow signal.

More FP/bigger injectors + piggyback. This is what I did with my MAF-T when was still hitting fuel cut. I upped the fuel pressure (richening the mixture for saftey) and I cut back on the airflow signal (pushing FC further away and compensates for the richness from upping the FP). This works great, as long as you arn't running too much fuel pressure, and if you HAVE A WIDEBAND. Its too dangerous to just guess with this setup.

A lot of times this doesnt make sense the first time you read it, and I'm not the best at explaining it. Give it time, think it through and it'll make sense ;)

Edit: As shaeff mentioned.. PLEASE make sure your fuel pump is up to the task before messing with the FP!
 
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supraman7mgte

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okay then,the FCD is not the right choice right now,so a walbro fp and 550's and a aftermarket/Lexus afm is the best start?
i live in California,so eveything must pass emissions.
 

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with 550's and lex JAV is correct.. he'll need to have a good tune to pass emissions. Lex and 550's often run pig rich. check for boost leaks too, that will also help with emissions.
 

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also i noticed you said it was working fine with it then started hitting FC? I still dont understand it but you have to adjust your mbc with the changes in the seasons... its hotter in the summer so the air is less dense correct? and colder in the fall,spring,winter so air is more dense?

dont exactly know how it works i play around with it till i get 10psi without hitting that FC...
 

supraman7mgte

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yes,it would boost till 12 psi where i had it set.all during the hot 112 degree summer it worked fine. now the temps are around 98 and it hits FC at 10 or less. i'm thinking of just taking out the cats and welding up a "temp" downpipe to get the extra 15-20 hp that i'm being robbed of. then when its time to get it smogged,i can just bolt it back on
 

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you actually arent getting robbed on that hp.. and doing a temp downpipe would help with fc much... can someone more up to date on turbos inform us about basics on air density and the effect of hp...

something along the lines even if you boost at 10psi in cold temps its them same as 12psi in hot temps