Gas price: Will rise

92TealSupra

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Okay everyone I know this is the incorrect thread and this may get delted but i wanted to inform you that my father is Director of Operations at Wesco, that is here in Michigan and he said gas prices may get as high as 5.00, I thought I would alert all of you before it substantially rises.
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Sorry for posting in the wrong thread.. I just wanted people to see this.
 

MKIIINA

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FANTASTIC! Do you have any proof of this? Any idea what the price of a barrel of oil is currently and what it was when the national average for a gallon was just south of $4 a barrel? Please explain to me how DECREASED demand and a slumping commodity price will lead to higher prices at the pump?

yes they have temporarily shut down the refineries in Houston and the surrounding areas but this has happened before in regards to severe weather.

Sorry to call you and your dad out but there is more at work here than a simple rumor mill. Call me when we get close to running out/demand outstrips supply/changes in inflation or the dollar and then I'll start to get worked up.

ps. current prices for oil - $101.25
 

MKIIINA

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and just for another nail in the coffin... x-post from SF, thanks Johnny D!!!!

Johnny Dangerously;6235986 said:
now this is a pleasant suprise! Fuck this cartel, seriously....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/b...OS/e6DE0gSZ3H0lkcDcLw&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Saudis Vow to Ignore OPEC Decision to Cut Production
By JAD MOUAWAD
Published: September 10, 2008

VIENNA — Hours after suffering a rare setback in a negotiating session at OPEC’s headquarters, Saudi Arabian officials assured world markets on Wednesday that they would ignore the wishes of other cartel members and continue to pump plenty of oil.

The late-night bargaining session ended early Wednesday morning with a surprise declaration that OPEC would cut production to shore up sagging prices. Saudi negotiators publicly endorsed that position, but then spent much of Wednesday privately spreading the word that they did not feel bound by it.

The back-and-forth illustrated new pressures and power politics at play in the group that controls 40 percent of the world’s oil production. The meeting could be a harbinger of things to come for the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries as the cartel faces its most difficult challenge in years: how to respond to falling oil prices in a weakening global economic climate.

The confusion surrounding this week’s meeting slowed the decline in prices as oil markets struggled to understand the cartel’s byzantine politics. Oil closed Wednesday at $102.58 a barrel in New York trading, a decline of 68 cents.

After a 30 percent drop in prices since July, and with oil seemingly headed below the psychological milestone of $100 a barrel, OPEC producers are getting anxious. The cartel’s president, Chakib Khelil, said the group was particularly concerned that slowing demand for oil was creating a glut in the market that might provoke a collapse in prices.

Still, going into the meeting, Saudi Arabia was expected to prevail in its stated goal of keeping enough oil on the market to drive prices below $100 a barrel. The Saudi view is that lowering prices moderately now will shore up the world economy and prevent a recession that would cause oil prices to collapse. The Saudi oil minister, Ali al-Naimi, described the markets as being “well balanced” when he arrived in Vienna.

But after a six-hour private meeting, OPEC ministers decided to pare their production by complying strictly with targets that had been set up last year but were largely ignored. According to Mr. Khelil, who is also Algeria’s oil minister, OPEC’s actual production would have to be lowered by about 500,000 barrels a day within the next 40 days.

“We are oversupplying the market, and we are cutting that oversupply,” said Abdalla Salem el-Badri, the group’s secretary general. “We don’t want to see these prices decline dramatically.”

It remained unclear Wednesday exactly how the Saudis lost the argument behind closed doors. And despite the OPEC communiqué, it is far from clear that OPEC members will actually reduce their output. After a short night, Saudi officials were quick to reassure markets.

“Saudi Arabia will meet the market’s demand,” a senior OPEC delegate said. “We will see what the market requires and we will not leave a customer without oil. The policy has not changed.”

The Saudi message is to wait and see where demand is headed before eventually paring supplies. The Saudis made their strategy clear Wednesday in informal talks and briefings with some oil industry analysts and reporters, but as is their custom, they would not speak for attribution because they did not want to appear to undermine a collective OPEC decision.

In June, King Abdullah pledged that his country would pump at full tilt to bring prices down. In August, the kingdom increased its production to 9.7 million barrels a day, the highest in three decades. Saudi Arabia is now producing around 9.5 million barrels a day, 600,000 barrels a day more than its quota.

“This seems to set Saudi Arabia up as the unilateral decision-maker on output for the fall,” said Greg Priddy, an energy analyst at Eurasia Group, in a research note. “Clearly, other OPEC members are not going to trim their own production without Saudi Arabia returning to its quota. Saudi Arabia also seems to be eager to avoid headlines about it cutting production in advance of the U.S. elections.”

Adding to the confusion, OPEC said that two new members, Angola and Ecuador, were given new production quotas while Indonesia, a member since 1962 that has become a net importer of oil in recent years, was suspending its membership in the organization by the end of the year. OPEC officials had trouble explaining precisely how much production would need to be cut. Mr. Badri also declined to provide new targets for each member state.

OPEC’s discordant message is a reflection of the competing policies at play within the group, which includes countries like Kuwait, Nigeria, and its newest and smallest member, Ecuador. Some countries are carefully managing their oil windfall, while others are spending freely with the expectation that prices will remain high.

Moderate and pro-Western states like Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are aware that high energy costs are hurting demand and might push consumers to seek alternatives to oil. These countries want to see prices fall below $100 a barrel to ease political enmity against the cartel.

Another group, composed of OPEC’s traditional price hawks, increasingly needs high prices to finance a wide range of social and military policies. Analysts say they believe that Iran and Venezuela, for example, cannot afford prices below $100 a barrel as they seek to project power in their respective regions.

As OPEC worked to push up prices from lows reached in the late 1990s, members of the cartel all shared the same interests and were willing to leave their differences aside. But now that demand is weakening and prices are falling, some analysts say they believe that tensions within the group are resurfacing. In past years, OPEC has been notoriously bad at maintaining discipline in its ranks when prices fall.

The perception that OPEC was unwilling to do its part to bring down prices brought sharp criticism Wednesday from Western officials. “We’d like to see more oil on the market, not less,” the White House press secretary, Dana M. Perino, said at a briefing.

The decision represents a rare case of the cartel going against the position of its biggest member. As he walked from his hotel to the OPEC headquarters on Tuesday evening, Mr. Naimi, the Saudi minister, seemed particularly proud of his country’s efforts to pump as much oil as needed to push down prices.

“It was hard work,” Mr. Naimi said, strolling along the city’s cobbled streets. “The market is in a very healthy position.”

Six hours later, Mr. Naimi left the meeting without a word of public comment.

How much for a gallon?
 

Kai

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I also posted in another thread that according to bloomberg and bbc, the price of a barrel of brent crude is $95.18 (having lost 71cents in trading today) and $97.91 (having lost 33cents in trading today) - its been coming DOWN further and further - it was $115 a barrel only on the 1st, so where did you pull this $5 a gallon figure from, your ass?
 

suprahero

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For some reason or another two of my local service stations were out of gas this morning and the others had people lined up on the highway waiting to get in and fill up. Something is definately happening.
 

gtsfirefighter

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Hurricane Ike has the refineries shut down. While there is plenty of oil, no gasoline is being produced which has sent futures through the roof. Bend over and take it is all you can do until this hurricane that Bush is at fault for blows over.
 

Tanya

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Uh hello? it's called Hurricane Ike.

Stations around here have jumped 5 to 10 cents this morning alone.
 

MKIIINA

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gtsfirefighter;1128314 said:
Hurricane Ike has the refineries shut down. While there is plenty of oil, no gasoline is being produced which has sent futures through the roof. Bend over and take it is all you can do until this hurricane that Bush is at fault for blows over.

futures are through the roof? care to show some evidence of this?

http://money.cnn.com/data/commodities/index.html?

link to current prices
 

92TealSupra

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suprahero;1128306 said:
For some reason or another two of my local service stations were out of gas this morning and the others had people lined up on the highway waiting to get in and fill up. Something is definately happening.

Yes gas just has gone up around here now this morning when I filled up it was at $3.87, now where at $4.41 My area at least has been affected by this, and I was just informing everyone that it could substantially rise. My proof is my dad will know when prices chnage considering he is in charge of the pricing at his company. Sorry to turn some sad faces here, I was only keeping people on there feet.
 

Mk3runner

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so like I saw this movie trailer with like Vin Diesel and he was stealing tankers of gas off big rigs so like guys maybe we should do that.... Whos with me!?
 

GrimJack

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To be honest, hurricanes will play havoc with the price in areas that can be affected. That's actually real price reactions, however - lots of people try to fill up in a short time period, demand goes up, price goes up. Add to that the fact that it's harder for the gas stations to get supply - nobody wants to send a tanker truck into a possible hurricane!

This can even have some affect nationally, if the refineries are in hurricane areas, and they have to shut down for a while, or worse, get hammered and have to repair damage afterwards.

Of course, the fuel companies know we know this, and they take advantage at every opportunity. "Hurricane Ike *may* hit us! (in a week or so...) Raise the price!" Then later: "Actually, Ike missed us by half the state, and we suffered no outages. I guess we can drop the price again in a couple weeks..." Easy way to tack on a few extra weeks of boosted fuel prices without taking too much of a hit in negative publicity.
 

gtsfirefighter

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MKIIINA;1128332 said:
futures are through the roof? care to show some evidence of this?

http://money.cnn.com/data/commodities/index.html?

link to current prices



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26676331/

A shift in Ike’s path Thursday — into a heavy cluster of Gulf Coast refineries — sent gasoline futures surging by 11 cents a gallon, to $2.86 a gallon. Along the Gulf Coast, wholesale prices skyrocketed to nearly $5 a gallon, up from $3 to $3.30 on Wednesday, according to Tom Kloza, publisher of the Oil Price Information Service.
 

Facime

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gas prices dropped another .04 this morning here after dropping .08 over this last week. All the reports I read say we should see at least regional increases due to Ike but its impact in the long term just isn't known yet (obviously). With the news out of OPEC and being we are pushing towards an election I can't imagine prices making any radical changes before the end of the year. The next big fluctuation after Ike will be when we switch over to winter fuel.

I don't know who your dad is, but thanks for the warning, I'll go put on my tin foil hat now.
 

WhtMa71

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Gas here is already 4.99... It was 3.60 something yesterday.. I think im just gonna wait it out since I have a full tank in my DD.
 

Isphius

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dam im on E! this isnt good!!! When i was 17(21 now..) gas was $1.50 something a gallon. I could put 10 bucks in my carbed v8 monte carlo(about 12 mpg) and goto school every day for a week and hang out on the weekend. there is still a shut down gas station by my house with the ~%$1.70 signs up. I wish!
 

phoenix6

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suprahero;1128306 said:
For some reason or another two of my local service stations were out of gas this morning and the others had people lined up on the highway waiting to get in and fill up. Something is definately happening.


Yeah, all the Alabamians are afraid after Russia is done with Georgia they are coming for you guys! :biglaugh:

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