For the 7m rod knock...

Mr.PFloyd

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Well mine is most likely roid knock. i cent even remember if the sound came from the head or down below. but could a valve be tapping to my head also cause this? Cause i rmemeber whn i reved to 4000 slowly, therewas no sound at all. But when i went quickly you could hear it. And when oit drops, i cant hear it either. any chance its NOT rod knock?
 
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use a stethescope or garden hose and put it on the oil pan and listen at idle
 

IHI-RHC7

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My rod knock was only audible in the range between 2500 and 300 under no load, outside those parameters, it was silent.
 

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I stand corrected. I was under the (appearantly wrong) impression that valve tap disapates in the higher rpm but knock is constant.
 

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My rod knock was only audible in the range between 2500 and 300 under no load, outside those parameters, it was silent.

^ Agreed ^

Once you get above a certian RPM the natural harmonic of the mass of the rod and piston changes. It is very common with sloppy bearings for a slight rod knock to go away at different RPM's!!! It would probably be fine on an NA economy car but on a Turbo motor driven by maniacs like us it wont be salvagable forever.

Git in there and fix it right away!!!
 
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Mr.PFloyd

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arz said:
^ Agreed ^

Once you get above a certian RPM the natural harmonic of the mass of the rod and piston changes. It is very common with sloppy bearings for a slight rod knock to go away at different RPM's!!! It would probably be fine on an NA economy car but on a Turbo motor driven by maniacs like us it wont be salvagable forever.

Git in there and fix it righ away!!!
i know i am, its actually going to the shop soon. i just want to determien it soon. as soon as it warms up a bit, im gonan finish that stupid HG finally and get done with this thing,
 

IJ.

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Another reason the knock goes away is at higher rpm you have enough Oil pressure to keep the Hydraulic Wedge (Oil doesn't compress so if you pump enough in the bearing should never touch the crank) in place so no knock.
 

Mr.PFloyd

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IJ. said:
Another reason the knock goes away is at higher rpm you have enough Oil pressure to keep the Hydraulic Wedge (Oil doesn't compress so if you pump enough in the bearing should never touch the crank) in place so no knock.
i know but answer this. why does it not soudn when i go slowly up there? and only when i go decently fast?
 

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Inertia for low RPM quietness and inertia during high RPM quietness. Trust me its Knocking at those other RPM's it just not at a frequency that generates an audible noise.

Knock on anything (like your desk) with your knuckle then with your palm what you are hearing is a change in frequency. By changing the shape of your hand you change the frequency generated.

Since the mass of the piston and the rod never changes, that magic RPM range that generates the "knock", happens to be its natural harmonic (the frequency it comes alive at).

Ever see an exhaust heat shield missing a bolt vibrate like hell at a certian RPM? That is its "natural frequency". By adding that missing bolt or even by hitting it with a hammer and bending it you change its natural frequency. By bending it you made it stiffer (most likely) and it will vibrate (come alive) at a different RPM. If your lucky enough your engine wont go to that RPM and your hammer fix worked. If your smart and you put the bolt in hopefully early enough that the heat shield didnt crack around other fasteners.

Hope that answers it.

I have done this job without ever taking the head off, its easy. Just (remove the oil pan first) rotate the carnk to the lowest position for that rod. Remove the cap, remove the bearing in the cap, place the clean bearing (old bearing) on the crank and rotote it around using a screw driver in the little oil hole. This is just to loosen the bearing. Remove the bottom bearing the slide the top bearing out. Lube a new one (with synthetic oil is my preference) and slide a new bearing in. Make sure that they go in the right direction and are centered properly. Install new bearing in the bottom (rod cap) torque to spec and continue on to others. The whole job will take less than 3-4 hours. Might as well do the Oil pump shim while your at it.
 
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ive got the start of rod knock 137k miles on the stock bottom end and its just starting to knock.

Only between 2500-3000 RPM and its pretty faint inside the cockpit, if your outside w/ hood propped you can clearly hear it. Time for a built bottom end :(