Ffim ge?

[zby67]

ok iv been doing research on FFIMs and everything i come across is for the GTE and was wondering if it would work for the GE? i was planning on going with this model. http://www.suprasport.com/LIPP-Front-Facing-Intake-Manifold_p_5506.html
iv searched GE engine section for the a FFIM thread and looked to page 30 or so found some nice reads but nothing on FFIM's.
has anyone done this? and with an FFIM i can easly put the AFM ware i want it and no pipes or throttle body will go over the engine/headers! a big plus. and if i ever get a GTE i can just take it off my GE so it wont be a waist of money unless it wont work with the GE.

 

[hvyman]

It will bolt up fine. Though like you siad kinda, its a complete waste on a ge. The 1's off ebay are not direct bolt on either. They need to be modded to fit.

 

[zby67]

It will bolt up fine. Though like you siad kinda, its a complete waste on a ge. The 1's off ebay are not direct bolt on either. They need to be modded to fit.

i wont be buying from ebay... dont trust it. but my goal is to not have the intake air heated and make it shorter and if i put it ware i want to keeping the orignal throttle body i have to make the pipe longer with the FFIM it will be shorter and be right ware i want it and away from the headers so no chance of it heating up! also theres a chance i may go NA-T so im getting it set up for that. unless i find my 1990 GTE supra i want then this project will be scraped.

 

[RazoE]

If you're going NA-T then you'll be fine, however you will lose ACIS which is what NA's sorely need. Also you won't get even airflow to each cylinder, which is an advantage of the stock intake manifold. And finally you'll have to relocate your alternator and remove your AC compressor...

Also don't buy from SupraSport, do a quick search on these very forums and you'll see why...

 

[hvyman]

You may gain 3hp maybe 5 tops. Not really worth 400+$. If it were me and want a turbo i would use that money for the turbo setup like on manifolds ecu wiring harness or all of that. All that actually might even be less. Find a used ct and rebuild it for 400 or a 57trim for 500.

Seems more like trying to get something out of the na when theres not much to get.

Heat shields do a pretty good job as well.

 

[zby67]

well i was hoping not to cover the headers since there SS and look nice.

ok this is off topic but iv heard not to buy from suprastore (afew things i want HKS classic exhaust) or suprasport (i have a friend who bought stuff from them and he liked them).... the two places dedicated to supras so besides driftmotion (i plan on getting alot from them) ware should i go? auto zone and napa are for shit like oil and brake pads and stupid shit. Toyota is raising prices past the extreme (hood emblem was 69 now 101) iv found afew place like HPF talked to them about parts.
the reason why im not saving up to get a GTE or to do the NA-T right now is because thanks to winter and salt my suspention on the 86.5 is about to give (rusting like a mofo and bad vibration under driver seat near the trans. tomorrow ill be taking the drive shaft from the 87 and putting it on the 86.5 and hope that fixes that problem) so eather i need to get this GE done and done right by the end of next winter since i refuse to have the 87 ever see winter and hoping my 86's suspention makes it till then. or i put this project off and drive something other then a supra... and i dont want to drive something other then a supra dosnt feel right. also dropping the alt i knew about that and removing the a/c never use it i just role down my windows.

 

[hvyman]

Can get the hks exhaust from other places tho i forgot where. Or you can get something very similar. Its basically something stupid easy marked up cause it says hks.

If the chassis is rusting uncontrollably just sell/scrap it and find a cheap dd. It would be pointless to ruin a good car with snow and salt.

Stock intake and exhaust manifolds turbo always go for cheap, then you just need the turbo harness and ecu. Exhaust you would want a 3in. Its not that but if you turbo the ge most likely its going to blow.

Since you have another car it would be wise to just get by with that car for a dd and mod the other one and only drive during spring/summer/fall. No point in spending money into a 7mge. Swap a 1uz would be more bang for the buck or a ls but that might cost a lil.

 

[zby67]

Can get the hks exhaust from other places tho i forgot where. Or you can get something very similar. Its basically something stupid easy marked up cause it says hks.

If the chassis is rusting uncontrollably just sell/scrap it and find a cheap dd. It would be pointless to ruin a good car with snow and salt.

Stock intake and exhaust manifolds turbo always go for cheap, then you just need the turbo harness and ecu. Exhaust you would want a 3in. Its not that but if you turbo the ge most likely its going to blow.

Since you have another car it would be wise to just get by with that car for a dd and mod the other one and only drive during spring/summer/fall. No point in spending money into a 7mge. Swap a 1uz would be more bang for the buck or a ls but that might cost a lil.

the 87 will be daily driver for summer only so if she is done by next summer ill have a whole summer and part of fall to find another DD unless all goes well and im sitting in Texas. and anything i put on this GE and be Taken off and dropped into a GTE so it wouldnt be a complete waist of time or money. im just wondering the pros and cons and if anyone has put a FFIM on a GE.

 

[Poodles]

You might gain a small amount of power, but it's extremely doubtful. Keep in mind the stock airbox pulls cool air from outside the engine bay and any heating that occurs isn't going to be much.

Now, having said that you WILL lose a lot of your powerband as you're removing ACIS. So while it may show a higher horsepower peak, the area under the curve will be lower. Not going to be fun to drive, and more than likely slower.

 

[hvyman]

Pro 5hp gain max.

Cons time and money just to realize any gains are in your head.

Sorry but you can ask all you want you can search all you want but the n/a is not going to get any faster.

I had a n/a for 2 years. Jdm engine bone stock. Left it and bought turbo parts. Now i have a stock pile of parts and i bought a turbo car. Shit was fast atleast i thought until i got the turbo and then that shit was a pos. And now its not even close to enough. Spend the money wisely and build something right not just a spur of the moment kinda thing thinking maybe i can make something out of nothing that will always be nothing.

If you want to spend money on the n/a i would put a supercharger on it. Thatd be about it other take the head off build it and put it on the gte.

 

[zby67]

ok how does ACIS work? and im looking to shorten the intake so i can put it behind the fog light but with no fog light installed making a ram air intake. and if i keep stock that means making the intake longer. im not after power at this time but keep her as the same fun GE iv come to love over the past 6 yrs (and thats with a 180k mile 86,5 no rebuild) till i have everything lined up to A do a NA-T or B a GTE swap and take what parts iv put into the GE build on the GTE like FFIM, rods pistons, hoses so on.

 

[hvyman]

If your not after power why are you bothering to make a ram air setup? Stock is a cold air intake.

 

[zby67]

a set up for when i deside to go NA-t or GTE swap. have it all now know what im doing makes it better in the end. iv done alot of research in the last 6 yrs and still doing research. im the type that can read all i want but to understand it i need to do it or be shown how to do it. and prep is everything so why not have everything i need installed and know how it works when i go to do a NA-T or swap??
i started on this forum http://www.toyota-supra.info/forums/ and have gone to many other supra forums and now i only visit 3 or 4 forums for info and google. to me its about restoring a legend and a dream power comes in time and its not given in my eyes it earned. you can slap all you want into a build doesnt mean you know what your up against. and this went off topic.

so how does ACIS work and what or the pros and cons of going FFIM? and has anyone done this to a GE weather NA-T or just staying NA?

 

[hvyman]

Ok buy ffim and see for your self.

 

[b'smk3]

iv been telling you for months now to just do the GTE swap... i wish i lived closer cuz id come do it for you haha..

 

[zby67]

iv been telling you for months now to just do the GTE swap... i wish i lived closer cuz id come do it for you haha..

branden no point in doin it for me lol. find me a good place to get a GTE with trans and ill scrap my GE plan and just use my head iv worked on and use my OBX headers for an ordament
im waiting to get my taxes back with out that i have almost no $$ to work with. which is the main reason i want to stay GE. 207 on my headers are not that bad to waist i guess. i figured since i have 2 GE's i would keep them and go NA-T in time. ether way i need the 87 on the road before i lose my rear suspension driving down the road.

 

[zby67]

Ok buy ffim and see for your self.

ok so i ask for answers i get this... even though its a prep for NAT or GTE swap. i just need the 87 on the road so i dont lose my 86's suspension driving down the road. so just go stock rebuild and get everthing i need for the NAT/swap later? or see if i can get everything for the NAT/swap?

 

[hvyman]

You got answers but you denied them.

Adding a ffim to a ge is point less and not helping your suspension.

If you want n/a-t buy your parts and leave them till your ready.'

If you need a car on the road you should make that the priority not the n/a-t bs.

Also turboing a high comp ge usually doesnt end well.

 

[zby67]

You got answers but you denied them.

Adding a ffim to a ge is point less and not helping your suspension.

If you want n/a-t buy your parts and leave them till your ready.'

If you need a car on the road you should make that the priority not the n/a-t bs.

Also turboing a high comp ge usually doesnt end well.

ok thank you srry i was trying to get a DD out something i had as a project car but its not worth it... im going to TAke the two GE's i have make one. gut the 86 and fix and what is needed to on the 87. and theres my DD and wait till i find something better for a Project car. thank you hvyman i had to much i was going after. and to much im after when the 87 or 86 needs to much work with for what im after.

 

[CT26smoker]

Funny, no one mentioned that the LIPP manifold doesn't exist.
The made a prototype, and then there were problems with the people that were to do the actual castings.
I have no idea why it's still on their web-site.