Difference between NA/turbo O2 sensor

turbo

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Really quick question, I have searched around for info but I put in without knowing a brand new oem O2 sensor from a 1990 NA into my 1990 turbo. Are they the same and could any problems arise? I know it is a gay question but I don't want to have any problem.

Thanks
Geoff
 

turbo

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Thanks for the info guys and I am going to drive to the storage place where the car is and pray that it was a 3 wire o2 sensor. I remember there being a black fabric wrapping around the wire with a green tag and I think it was thicker than one wire. The sensor is from toyota and just assumed they were interchangeable. Learn something new everyday.

Thanks
Geoff
 

jetjock

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As long as you get the one signal wire connected right it'll work. OBD I doesn't monitor the heater like OBD II does so it's no big deal. The sensor may take a bit longer to warm up and go into closed loop and may fall out of it at idle on ocassion but other than that it should work fine. Not the best setup but you shouldn't notice any performance or drivibility issues. (Heh, I see IJ beat me to it while I was typing ;)
 
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Whats the propper wiring writeup for the sensor wire? Its a shielded wire, do you ground out the shield wire or jsut leave it disconnected?
 

jester1341

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i thought that a one wire while wired correctly will run you rich till norm operating temp??

that said is that how the NA works all the time???....dumb

john
 

jetjock

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jester1341 said:
i thought that a one wire while wired correctly will run you rich till norm operating temp??

that said is that how the NA works all the time???....dumb

john

Well, what do you mean by "operating temp"? An O2 sensor needs to be at about 600 degrees to operate. The exhaust gases will get it there long before the engine reaches normal temp. This normally happens a few minutes after starting or even sooner if driving.

Heated oxygen sensors were designed to get the sensor there quicker. This was done to put the ECU into closed loop as soon as possible to reduce emissions. A side benefit is it keeps it there should the exhaust temp drop off during low power operations like idle. Looked at another way all the heater does is stabilize the sensor. It's why I said the engine may fall out of closed loop at idle if the exhaust gases don't keep it hot enough.

Since the MK III's OBD I system doesn't monitor the heater for operation not having one won't set any codes. So a 1 wire sensor will work just as well as a 3 wire during all but startup. Your car will simply be running in open loop for a bit longer (maybe a minute or two) after start up and may (but probably won't) revert to open loop at idle. The only possible down side to using a 1 wire is your cat conveter doesn't like open loop but it shouldn't be a problem because the base map in the TCCS should be pretty close in open loop.

You can see what your sensor is doing by putting a voltmeter (or a cheap A/F monitor) on the diagnostic block. It'll be cross counting whenever the ECU is in closed loop. It's important to understand the sensor doesn't cross count on it's own, it's the ECU making fuel corrections (by varying injector duration) and the sensor responding to those corrections that cause cross counting. That's what closed loop means.

If you'd like to know more there are probably thousands of websites on the Net devoted to how an O2 sensor works and what it does..
 

turbo

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Just went to storage place and the O2 sensor I put in is a 3 wire so I am in good shape.

Thanks for the help
Geoff
 

jester1341

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not to bash on the super long post jetlock....but i didn't read it all

yes i ment the hand full of seconds before it reaches the flash point of my skin and beyond....all i was saying it will run you rich for a 'short' while

anyway.....hes got a three wire so no worries :)

john