Hey guys, well I fouled up pretty good and unintentially took apart the motor on the starter assembly. Now the back section (silver end towards front of car) will not slide back into place no matter what I try. Also now that I have the starter unbolted from the bellhousing; how the heck do you get it out of where it is? The bottom and the top both seem kind of difficult. Thanks for any help.
damn, I'm stupid... (starter help!)
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yea i crashed and burned on this one. the two bolts holding the housing onto the bellhousing are a pain in the ass toget to, i never managed to get my had in there so i just took off the selenoid. (looks like an oil filter held in by two long 4 inch screw things. yea i pulled that out and the center piston, rotating magnet bearing thing popped out and i couldnt get it back in till i did this.
look inside the main selenoid and you will see the 4 spring bushings that are keeping you from putting hte cylinder in. you can push them in with a screwdriver but cant get the main shaft on right?
well turn it upside down and you will see two screws, (the type may vary) undo the two screws holding the cap together and it will come off exposing the other side of hte bushings. it wont pull off completely theres two wires holding it in. now take that shaft thing and push it in the way you pulled it out and you will see that it hits the 4 bushings. from the side you removed you can now with the help of a friend push all 4 bushings out against hte springs and push the shaft in. once hte shaft is in press the cap you took off against hte shaft enough so you can put it all back together and screw the 2 cap screws back on and the thing is back together. make sure you have the seals on it still.
what i did when i couldnt get to my starter is i gave up on housing and just pulled off hte selenoid. the top nut holding it to housing and just put hte new selenoid from the new starter onto the old housing.
bad idea. but i did it in dispair cus i really needed my car the next morning.
hope that helps you get your selenoid put back together. everyone else seams to think it takes 10 mins to get the two bolts holding the starter to bellhousing but when its just one boltw/ no nut with bolt head facing bell housing its pretty damn hard to get to.
mine works like a charm but i still want to get something to reach the top starter housing bolt.
anyway g/l. hope this helps. if not i'll take pics of it when i get home i have the old one just sitting there.
look inside the main selenoid and you will see the 4 spring bushings that are keeping you from putting hte cylinder in. you can push them in with a screwdriver but cant get the main shaft on right?
well turn it upside down and you will see two screws, (the type may vary) undo the two screws holding the cap together and it will come off exposing the other side of hte bushings. it wont pull off completely theres two wires holding it in. now take that shaft thing and push it in the way you pulled it out and you will see that it hits the 4 bushings. from the side you removed you can now with the help of a friend push all 4 bushings out against hte springs and push the shaft in. once hte shaft is in press the cap you took off against hte shaft enough so you can put it all back together and screw the 2 cap screws back on and the thing is back together. make sure you have the seals on it still.
what i did when i couldnt get to my starter is i gave up on housing and just pulled off hte selenoid. the top nut holding it to housing and just put hte new selenoid from the new starter onto the old housing.
bad idea. but i did it in dispair cus i really needed my car the next morning.
hope that helps you get your selenoid put back together. everyone else seams to think it takes 10 mins to get the two bolts holding the starter to bellhousing but when its just one boltw/ no nut with bolt head facing bell housing its pretty damn hard to get to.
mine works like a charm but i still want to get something to reach the top starter housing bolt.
anyway g/l. hope this helps. if not i'll take pics of it when i get home i have the old one just sitting there.
Hey man, after about 4 hours of fiddling with it I found the bushing thing you were talking about. Actually it talks about the inner workings of the starter in the TSRM so what I would up doing was prying back the brush springs, pulling out the brushes, and then pushing it down over the lip and re-inserting them. To my suprise when I got it all back together the car instantly started up, I thought for sure that I broke the motor somehow with all my screwing around. Quite the robust piece of equipment they built there.
Also I devised some new ways to get to the starter housing bolts (that bolt it to the bellhousing) since I did my clutch (this is my 2nd trip to hell to take off that starter).
Have a 14mm open ended, 14mm 1/4 drive socket, 10 inch, and 6 inch extentions.
for the top one use all the extensions mentioned and stick them in above all the tubing and what not below the intake manifold and with a little elbow grease you'll get that pesky bolt and be able to crank on it pretty good. While your removing it, for me at least, I had to hold the nut on with a 14mm closed end wrench. To get it in you need some contortionist hands but how I did it was to lift the main engine harness up and stick your hand all the way down in there and prop it against the firewall somewhere. For me it normall wedges itself in there enough so I don't have to hold it the whole time.
As for the bottom, it is 20x easier to get it from the bottom. Again I used the 14mm closed end wrench to hold the nut, and then used a 1/4in 14mm socket with no extensions and took that off as well.
For me to get those bolts off, that is by far the easiest/fastest.
Great info tho jebus, good to know I'm not the onlt person who has done this...
EDIT: here is the TSRM stuff I found. http://cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM/st/ST_09.html
Also I devised some new ways to get to the starter housing bolts (that bolt it to the bellhousing) since I did my clutch (this is my 2nd trip to hell to take off that starter).
Have a 14mm open ended, 14mm 1/4 drive socket, 10 inch, and 6 inch extentions.
for the top one use all the extensions mentioned and stick them in above all the tubing and what not below the intake manifold and with a little elbow grease you'll get that pesky bolt and be able to crank on it pretty good. While your removing it, for me at least, I had to hold the nut on with a 14mm closed end wrench. To get it in you need some contortionist hands but how I did it was to lift the main engine harness up and stick your hand all the way down in there and prop it against the firewall somewhere. For me it normall wedges itself in there enough so I don't have to hold it the whole time.
As for the bottom, it is 20x easier to get it from the bottom. Again I used the 14mm closed end wrench to hold the nut, and then used a 1/4in 14mm socket with no extensions and took that off as well.
For me to get those bolts off, that is by far the easiest/fastest.
Great info tho jebus, good to know I'm not the onlt person who has done this...
EDIT: here is the TSRM stuff I found. http://cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM/st/ST_09.html
so..... mkIII guys go for the starter from the top....?
Anyway, I can't remember if the firewall is a problem or not, but two ratchet wrenches always did it for me (on mkII's) and is just as easy to get from the top as bottom (IIRC) best bet is 2 people, like most jobs. I am kinda intrigued by you guys taking the starter apart to get it out...... did it help at all?
Anyway, I can't remember if the firewall is a problem or not, but two ratchet wrenches always did it for me (on mkII's) and is just as easy to get from the top as bottom (IIRC) best bet is 2 people, like most jobs. I am kinda intrigued by you guys taking the starter apart to get it out...... did it help at all?
You unbolt it from the top and bottom. Hold the top bolt, and turn the nut. Then the bottom. It will fall out after you remove the bolts and loosen it.