Compare Dyno Qweens to Track Qweens

Figit090

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I was curious...people mention dyno queens, and while the term and idea is obvious, i was wondering what makes a car a "dyno queen?" I ask because i was wondering if the tune on a car showing 900hp on a dyno wouldn't hold true on the track...or what?

or is it just the fact that a lot of people tune the shit out of their cars, make 900hp...and dont do anything closer to drag racing or track racing than the occasional high-speed freeway run?
 

mkiiSupraMan18

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^ I think its more along the lines of it's basically undriveable at that 900hp tune... and not 'it wont hold traction' kind of undriveable.

I haven't seen a 'quick' Supra drive to any of the dragstrips/dynos I've been to. But maybe I just havent been paying attention or havent been at the right meets. If you have to trailer to and from everywhere you go what the hell is the point anyway?
 

Figit090

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i see. i had the impression people built them for the sole purpose of running numbers, and possibly not even racing....

and yes, building a quick car that can only run in a straight line at racetracks seems pointless...for me at least.
 

Supra

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Dyno queen tends to indicate that the car makes no power for the first 1,500-5,500RPM (because the turbo is so rediculously large it takes for ever to spool), then makes 1000RWHP for about 500RPM.

The power band is useless on the street, but on the dyno it looks impressive to walk away with a 1000RWHP sheet...
 

Ric

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Around here in FL...

Dyno queen = Very beautiful show car that might make 1000hp but never see's the track or over highway speed limits. Generally just sits in parking lots to look pretty, but can prove its power if needed.

Track car = something you wouldn't bring to a show and expect to win anything because it's used and shows it.
 

MKIIINA

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my own personal definition is:

dyno queen - will do 1200rwhp if the conditions are right with the right tune, right gas etc. maybe be driven on the street but only does like 5,6,700rwhp in day to day life.

a trailer queen - car that is trailered to and from events and only needs to power itself to its new parking spot to be judged, generally doesnt see a public road unless its a really special occasion.

track queen - might looks like hell but it will hand your ass to you out on the track but probibly is a bitch on the streets (hard ride, unusable powerband, modified safety features to make it legal for track days etc..)


thats just me though... there is overlap between a few of them too. you can see trailer dyno queens etc etc
 

Figit090

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ok...so i guess a dyno queen can be decent on the streeet. i just was wondering because it reminded me of RC cars and how some people will drop 2k dollars into an all-metal polished RC with almost no stock parts left and not use it at all... "shelf queen"

it would be silly if someone did that to a car and only used it to show off on the dyno...lame. i'm sure its been done but i was just wondering if all of them were unusuable on the street. now i know

thanks for the info!
 

americanjebus

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Dont forget the ever popular Garage Queen: The car that was purchased in immaculate condition and spends ALL of its time in storage, never changed modified unless totally tasteful and driven at an absolute minimum. Or its forgotten about in the garage.

my dads 89 toyo pickup w/ 20k miles comes to mind, just never drives the thing.
 

Figit090

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americanjebus said:
Dont forget the ever popular Garage Queen: The car that was purchased in immaculate condition and spends ALL of its time in storage, never changed modified unless totally tasteful and driven at an absolute minimum. Or its forgotten about in the garage.

my dads 89 toyo pickup w/ 20k miles comes to mind, just never drives the thing.

:aigo: :aigo: :aigo: :aigo:

how much does he want for it?

lol...

yeah i almost forgot about those...
i guess to every man his own...
 

Supracentral

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Ric said:
Most dyno queens are 100% streetable.. they spent all their time on the dyno tuning :)

You believe in Santa Claus too, don't you? :D

As a tuner, I can tell you that this is how it works with the Dyno Queens:

A guy will say he wants to make a big number. Say 1,000 at the wheels.

  • We fill the car up with the highest octane fuel we can find, usually C16 or VP import.
  • We put a brand new set of plugs in for each pass.
  • We put ice on the intake.
  • We freeze the intercooler and piping with Co2
  • We do the tests on a cold day, or very early in the morning while the sun is just coming up.
  • We run the boost up to some insane level.
  • We re-jet the nitrous to the point of insanity
  • We run the A/F's out on the ragged edge
  • We crank the timing as far as we dare.

Once the car "makes the number", we set it all back to "sane" settings for street use.

Very few people who have "big number" cars use the tune that made the big number when they run on the street. And if they do, they know the car can't do it for long. They'll pull you for a couple of car lengths, then let out. Because they know if they stand in it for more than a few seconds they are going to melt something.

There are a few notable exceptions out there. I do know of MKIV owner who runs his 1,200 RWHP tune all the time. He's got a 90 mm turbo with an oval 5" exhaust. He also runs VP Import at all times and the car has R compound 335's on the back. It can't hook full throttle until it's doing well over 120 mph. I've driven the car and I'll tell you it's one of the most terrifying machines I've ever driven. It's completely nuts and I don't like driving it.

PS - I don't run my own cars like this. I may only publish a 550-600 RWHP sheet, but it's the tune I run all day, every day. And I know it's safe for a long top end pull if needed. :evil: But if someone wants to pay me $150/hr to help them engage in chassis dynomometer masturbation session, I'll take the money.
 

Figit090

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Supracentral said:
You believe in Santa Claus too, don't you? :D

As a tuner, I can tell you that this is how it works with the Dyno Queens:

A guy will say he wants to make a big number. Say 1,000 at the wheels.

  • We fill the car up with the highest octane fuel we can find, usually C16 or VP import.
  • We put a brand new set of plugs in for each pass.
  • We put ice on the intake.
  • We freeze the intercooler and piping with Co2
  • We do the tests on a cold day, or very early in the morning while the sun is just coming up.
  • We run the boost up to some insane level.
  • We re-jet the nitrous to the point of insanity
  • We run the A/F's out on the ragged edge
  • We crank the timing as far as we dare.

Once the car "makes the number", we set it all back to "sane" settings for street use.

Very few people who have "big number" cars use the tune that made the big number when they run on the street. And if they do, they know the car can't do it for long. They'll pull you for a couple of car lengths, then let out. Because they know if they stand in it for more than a few seconds they are going to melt something.

There are a few notable exceptions out there. I do know of MKIV owner who runs his 1,200 RWHP tune all the time. He's got a 90 mm turbo with an oval 5" exhaust. He also runs VP Import at all times and the car has R compound 335's on the back. It can't hook full throttle until it's doing well over 120 mph. I've driven the car and I'll tell you it's one of the most terrifying machines I've ever driven. It's completely nuts and I don't like driving it.

PS - I don't run my own cars like this. I may only publish a 550-600 RWHP sheet, but it's the tune I run all day, every day. And I know it's safe for a long top end pull if needed. :evil: But if someone wants to pay me $150/hr to help them engage in chassis dynomometer masturbation session, I'll take the money.


HAH! amazing. i'm fascinated by the 5 inch oval exaust... and 1200hp...

OH i was wondering...what kind of gas mileage can be had in the 500hp range, and how much does the dude with 1200hp get? i'm sure he doesnt care...if he can afford all that and pay for gas...but i'm just curious how much a beast like that actually consumes.

but anyway yeah...how many MPG do you usually get in your cars with around 550hp?
 

Supracentral

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Figit090 said:
but anyway yeah...how many MPG do you usually get in your cars with around 550hp?

It's not uncommon to see 25 mpg on the highway on a long road trip with not too many steep inclines and no traffic in the way.

That is provided you don't get into boost at all.

If you boost, it goes from MPG to GPM... :D
 

Figit090

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LOL...

crazyness....

the 25mpg is pretty cool...

so realistically...did you ever calculate how many you get when you drive...normally? cause how often do people take long road trips...lol.. like maybe...14mpg? its not that big of a deal im' just trying to figure out if its like...6 or something a bit higher.