Broken VSV still use-able?

ggeiss240sx

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Ok so I was hooking up the wiring harness and couldnt find where one of the VSV valves go because it didnt look like any of the ones on the diagram. Turns out it was because the little cylinder can type hat thing on it is broken off of it. I was wondering if this is a vital part of the valve or if it just allows expansion and contraction of the air inside of it without dirt getting inside? I need to know if I can still use it for the time being. I doubt this part can be bought at a local parts store and the closest Toyota dealer is over an hour away. I would definetly replace it soon but want to get the Supra running ASAP. Here is a picture to help out... Or what would happen if I didnt use this valve for a little while and ran the hose straight through? Thanks Much!

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It's just a filter so the VSV should still work fine. The one you're talking about looks to be for the FPU system so it's no big deal. That valve is only active when the engine is hot and only then for a little bit of time. I'd still replace it though when you can.
 

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That valve is only active when the engine is hot and only then for a little bit of time.

During the short time the valve is active, is it open or closed? If I chose to bypass it, would it be better to run a straight vacuum hose in its place or to cap off both of the ends it would otherwise connect to?
 

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What Grim said.

The valve is what is known as a three way. It has three ports, two of which switch between a third, common port. The common port is connected to the FPR. The valve therefore can be in one of two states at any given time:

1) FPR port and manifold port connected.

2) FPR port and atmospheric (filter) port connected.

Three ways valves are used anytime a volume must be equalized. In this case it's needed to equalize he line going to the FPR to atmospheric pressure. Without a port to the atmosphere the vacuum in the line to the FPR would be "trapped" when the valve cuts off the connection to the manifold. Make sense?

The TCCS makes the valve active during a hot start. It knows when the engine is hot by sampling the coolant sensor. When it does this the FPR control port is opened to atmospheric pressure with the result being the fuel pressure is increased. The entire point of this is to purge any vapor that may be in the fuel system. The ECU reconnects the FPR to the intake manifold a minute or two after engine start.

Since the fuel systems' "rest" pressure after the engine is shut down normally prevents vapor formation, removing the valve will likely be no big deal. However, if you should lose rest pressure or if the fuel system remains heat soaked after rest pressure natually bleeds off you'll have hard starting when hot. Think of the Fuel Pressure Up system as a back up of sorts to rest pressure.

I don't recall if the valve is a normally closed three way or a normally open three way. The difference would be in which port is connected to common when no power is applied to the coil. Perhaps someone else will chime in.

Probably more than you wanted to know. To answer your question, if you don't want to use the valve connect the lines together or run a new one. If you leave the hose missing your fuel pressure will not track manifold vacuum and will be high at all times.
 
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lagged

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that valve stays active (high FP) for a little while after a hot start, im still wondering if while the valve is "active" and you boost, will the FPR see the boost pressure and increase your FP accordingly?
 

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lagged said:
that valve stays active (high FP) for a little while after a hot start, im still wondering if while the valve is "active" and you boost, will the FPR see the boost pressure and increase your FP accordingly?


What we have here is a failure to communicate. Either that or a case of comprehension skills "lagging" behind reading skills. ;)

Read the post again. When the valve is active the FPR is not ported to the intake manifold, it's ported to atmosphere. Therefore fuel pressure can't possibly track manifold pressure. And the ECU shuts the valve off very soon after engine start. If you're boosting within 60 seconds of engine start you need to be worrying about bigger things than fuel pressure.
 

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........um sure :icon_roll

my FPR VSV stays diverted for longer than 60 seconds, do you know for how long the ECU keeps the fuel pressure bumped for hot starting purposes?
 

jetjock

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Depends on the coolant sensor. It could be longer sometimes but not much longer. Times are in the TCCS manual. How long is yours staying in and how do you know? Regardless, the point still stands: As long as it's on the FPR will not track manifold pressure.
 

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Thanks mrnickleye. From your posts I see you've aleady learned the devil is in the details and knowing them can make all the difference.

I try to help by explaining things. Teach a man to fish and all that. I look at it as payback, homage to all those over the years who took the time and patience to do it for me. Since the real trick for those learning today is the same as it was back then (separating truth from BS) I strive to be as correct as possible.