Bearing clearance and condition

bluepearl

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I recently bought a used 7MGTE complete just to take apart and fool around with. I was told by the owner that it had 175 comp in all 6, no valve tap, no knock, no blue smoke. Normal 7M oil pressure. All spark plugs light mocha color with no indication of detonation or carbon. 135 K. The valve clearance and condition of the cams is excellent. All main bearings and crank excellent. Clearance is at 1.5 to 2 thou. max. Here's where I am slightly stumped. The rod bearings. Here is what I found. #1 and #6 excellent bearings and crank 2 thou clearance. #'s 2,3,4,5 Visually the crank is machine shop excellent. The bearings are Toyota standard size. The bearings are all scratched and very slightly coppered 3 thou clearance. They were not blue but, you can see where there was some metal deteriation taking place. Also these suspect bearings, although they did'nt spin, would not snap into place on the rod. When you would put the bearing shell in to the cap, it actually looked like they were the wrong bearing for that cap, like they shrunk, LOL. I have never seen this before, and would like some opinions and or idea's. Bottom end of Motor does not appear to have been worked on before, although I was told there is a HKS headgasket on it. Thanks, Joe
 
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Joe: Classic hammered bearings, they lose their crush if detonated or ran low on oil.

2 thou on the good ones is way too much clearance for a 7M, our motors are happiest built tight....

hmmmm "Happiness is a tight 7M" ;)
 

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IJ. said:
Joe: Classic hammered bearings, they lose their crush if detonated or ran low on oil.

2 thou on the good ones is way too much clearance for a 7M, our motors are happiest built tight....

hmmmm "Happiness is a tight 7M" ;)


IJ, I'm not letting you off the hook so easy. You did'nt answer my questions. The good bearings are within Toyota spec. Weather it's acceptable or not, Toyota service limit is 3 thou. It most certainly looks like oil starvation, but why are #1and 6 beautiful, and all the mains beautiful also? Detonation? I have to take you're word on this. But why only on # 2,3,4,5. Thanks for the quick reply.
 

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Rest of the motor sounds good though!

Get the head checked for hardness on the exhaust side.


I must admit, this is a new term to me. And this hardness you speak of, yea, I checked it. I punched it, I can tell ya it's hard. Intake side is hard too!
 

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Joe: LOL damn I almost got away with it ;)

My guess is it's been run low on oil at sometime in it's life and scuffed up the bearings, maybe 1 and 6 are the last to see a pressure drop (not sure never studied the oil gallery layout in detail).

"Detonation" was just chucked in as a possible cause for hammered bearings, there are usually other signs if this is the case though.

If you take your head to a machine shop they will have a small hardness tester to gauge if the head has gone soft (It only takes a few Hot/Cold/ overheating cycles to anneal a 7M head)

They usually go on the exhaust side so you end up with a half soft head that does the banana impersonation as soon as you unbolt it :(.

I've had a couple here that were fully soft and useless other than to cut em open to check port thickness!