Aux Fuse Block...Question on Wiring?

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Ok - Got this fuse block to clean up the developing rat's nest under my drivers side kick panel. I was thinking about how would be the best way to wire it...especially since the electrical system isn't my strong point. The aux panel will power a foglight relay, the rad fan relay, my EGT guage, and possibily my wideband (thinking about using ECU power/ground for this one).

Should I:

- Tap into the feed line (IGN side) of the stock fuse panel.

or

- Wire from the battery to the aux panel switched using a relay activated by IGN from the stock fuse panel.

What guage wire should I use for the Pos/Neg feeds in each case? The aux panel is rated at 100 Amps, each of the 6 circuits are 30 Amps max.
 

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jdub said:
Ok - Got this fuse block to clean up the developing rat's nest under my drivers side kick panel. I was thinking about how would be the best way to wire it...especially since the electrical system isn't my strong point. The aux panel will power a foglight relay, the rad fan relay, my EGT guage, and possibily my wideband (thinking about using ECU power/ground for this one).

Should I:

- Tap into the feed line (IGN side) of the stock fuse panel.

or

- Wire from the battery to the aux panel switched using a relay activated by IGN from the stock fuse panel.

What guage wire should I use for the Pos/Neg feeds in each case? The aux panel is rated at 100 Amps, each of the 6 circuits are 30 Amps max.



if you going to do it this way just tap off the ig tubler

pending on how far you run it away 12 should do you fine

if you want your eletroincs save just add up the drawing amp's and then give ti 5 amp le way

i thinkt eh ig is 60 amps i am not sure don't remmber it chould be more or less

perf really you cna ditch that thign and just hard wire it all off miss stuff on the haress it will be much cleaner this way

then have al the wire's go to one spot


any ways have fun
 

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jdub, that's just a fuse block? If you're gonna load it up run it from the bat and pilot it with a relay from the IGN. Or connect before the IGN and pilot it. Same thing but less hassle. You don't want to put to much current through the IGN switch as it carries quite a bit already.

Tell me what the loads are going to be and I'll tell you the wire size to use. Fuse the main feed as close to the bat as you can using a either fuse or fusible link sized for the conductor. Just use a smaller wire for the link. I'll tell what size depending on the total load.

Be careful what you power off the ecu feed. If it fails it could shut the car down in a heartbeat. There is also the possiblity of introducing noise. The ecu is very picky about it's power. No matter where the wideband is fed from fuse it correctly based on wire size, not load. That goes for everything. Overcurrent protection is for protecting wiring, not loads.

You might want to check out www.the12volt.com for some basics.
 
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jetjock said:
jdub, that's just a fuse block? If you're gonna load it up run it from the bat and pilot it with a relay from the IGN. Or connect before the IGN and pilot it. Same thing but less hassle. You don't want to put to much current through the IGN switch as it carries quite a bit already.

Tell me what the loads are going to be and I'll tell you the wire size to use. Fuse the main feed as close to the bat as you can using a either fuse or fusible link sized for the conductor. Just use a smaller wire for the link. I'll tell what size depending on the total load.

Be careful what you power off the ecu feed. If it fails it could shut the car down in a heartbeat. There is also the possiblity of introducing noise. The ecu is very picky about it's power. No matter where the wideband is fed from fuse it correctly based on wire size, not load. That goes for everything. Overcurrent protection is for protecting wiring, not loads.

You might want to check out www.the12volt.com for some basics.


I was hoping you would respond to this JJ :icon_bigg

Yes...it's just a fuse block. It has a cover I'm going to label as to what this powers.

Here's the loads:
EGT - 3 Amps
Fan controller - 10 Amp fuse specified
Fog light relay - Stock relay rewired to IGN - 10 Amps?
PLX Wideband - 3 Amps

The only reason I'm considering wiring the PLX off ECU Pwr/Gnd is the instructions recommend connecting to a source close to the ECU when replacing the narrowband with the PLX simulated narrowband signal. The reason is for the PLX to see the same referenced ground as the ECU for "more accurate and reliable narrowband closed loop operation." I do see what you are saying...frankly I didn't like the idea of splicing the 12 V feed to the ECU myself.

I may wire a couple more things to this block...I'm planning on installing an AEM EMS in the near future. A dash display is available that will show you engine parameters on the fly...I will likely provide the power for this display from this block. I estimate no more than a 10 Amp draw.

Lets assume 2 - 5 Amp, 2 - 10 Amp, and 2 - 30 Amp fuses max on this block...what feed wire size/fusible link would you recommend?

You convinced me on the the relay idea...I'll use the pre-IGN stock feed and pilot it off the IGN. I assume a 14 guage wire will be big enough for the IGN to Relay? A 80-100 Amp relay?

Thanks...I appreciate it. ;)
 

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IJ. said:
I did mine with a fusible link direct from the battery then relays Ign controlled to the loads.

And you said you weren't electrically inclined ;)


jdub, technically speaking you should feed the block using a conductor sized to match the block's rating, not what loads you're going to put on it. You don't wire a 100 amp panel in a house for 30 amps just because you're only going to pull 30 through it. Plus you have 6 fuse positions. Say your loads total 20 amps so you feed the block with 12 or 14 awg. What's to stop you from adding future goodies? Do that and you'll exceed the original ampcity of the feed.

Wire it for the loads you anticipate and add a bit more for future use because as long as there's an emtpy fuse holder you'll likely have a need for it someday. Based on your loads I'd use 10 awg as long as the run isn't too long. That'll give you a fair margin for future use. It's also why I suggested taking the feed further from that battery. Course, if the feed you tap is smaller than 10 awg it's all for naught so it may be better to to go to the battery. Be sure the relay you use can handle at least 40 amps. The typical 40 amp automotive Bosch type would work but a bit bigger is better for the reasons mentioned below.

Iinductive loads (fans, motors, ect) have a high starting current that drops off as the motor builds speed. Tungsten (lighting) loads have a tremendous inrush current because the filament in a lamp has a very low resistance when cold. Ohm a bulb and you'll see how it can appear as a dead short to the supply at the moment of turn on. For both these reasons stuff technically needs to be bigger than the loads suggest, especially if the load is cyclic with a short duty cycle. No big deal in this case but something to remember when adding futue loads.

Use 10 awg and fuse it for 30 or 40 amps. All this assumes the block itself is rated for at least 40 amps. You have to consider everything in the circuit when dealing with total ampacity. Connections, the fuse springs, everything. For example if the internal buss in the block is rated for 20 amps it's not a good idea to pull 40 through it. This is what I meant when talking about the block's rating. It must have a spec and technically you should wire a big enough feed to use it all, but it's your call.

And again, overcurrent protection is selected based on the conductor, not the load. The same goes for the branch circuits coming off the block. Use the right size wire to handle the load and then use right fuse to protect the wire. Otherwise the car becomes a giant toaster on wheels.

I didn't realize you were going to use the wideband for engine control. In that case they're correct in that the ecu ground is a good choice. Keep in mind though the stock O2 sensor's ground runs through the turbo and exhaust manifold gaskets and a mess of other "crappy" connections and still works OK. Btw, that's what the small ground strap on the PAX side of the firewall is for, the one many guys don't replace thinking it's useless. Me, I don't like like the stock "torturous path" and ground the firewall right to one of the O2 sensor mounting bolts.

The PLX doesn't need to get + from the ecu. No need so why do it? Still, do what they say if there's any question. Just be sure it's fused. If you have room on the block you might want to take it off that instead.
 
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Yeah...the fuse block is rated at 100 Amps; each of the 6 circuits is 30 Amps max.

After reading yours & IJ's post, I'm gonna wire it from the battery to a relay switched from the IGN on the stock block. I'll use one of the circuits for the PLX power wire as well.

Thanks for your help...I've got a good grasp on what to do now. ;)
 

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But 6 X 30 is 180 ;)

100 amps huh. That's why you asked about the relay. Sorry. In spite of my advice that's way more than I'd wire an aux block for. I can't think of much on a production car that you could add to need that. Good luck, feel free to PM me if you need anything esle.
 

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jetjock said:
But 6 X 30 is 180 ;)

100 amps huh. That's why you asked about the relay. Sorry. In spite of my advice that's way more than I'd wire an aux block for. I can't think of much on a production car that you could add to need that. Good luck, feel free to PM me if you need anything esle.

LOL...yeah I know...never was too good at math :)
That was just what the placard on the back said.

I'm gonna wire it for about 50 Amps, but I doubt the block will ever pull that much.
 

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well this my my setup wiht out a box

ig has 6 guage's and tt shift light wired for on so when it cranks it doe snot try ot poweryour guiages ect

staero remotepower wire apexi avcr and wide band


i had box befor butti sucked made more of mes then any thing
ecu apexi sfac 2