Anti lag systems good or bad

kamikazemkiii

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I imagine this has been covered, but i haven't found it. I have a few questions about ALS or 2 step. Im curious what the bad side to ALS? What actually makes it pop? Does the waste gate control the boost produced? Has anyone used it on a ct26?

I have a few more questions about it so ill update it later.

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toyotanos

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ALS and 2-step are two different systems. Here's how I understand them both.

A 2-step rev limiter creates a second ignition cut point with no fuel control at all. It is usually used to spool a turbo on a manual transmission car for drag racing so you can launch with boost. Typically wired into the clutch switch so it only acts when the clutch is fully pressed. It makes noise and pops flames out the tailpipe, but doesn't adversely affect the turbo as badly as ALS does. The pops/flames are created by the exhaust system getting saturated with air-fuel mix coming out of the cylinders when the ignition is being cut off, then it being ignited when the ignition kicks back in.

Anti-lag (ALS) is a performance setup that is used in rally racing a lot, due to it's ability to keep the turbo spooled at all times. It works differently by retarding ignition timing and adding extra fuel to the engine during shifts and coasting. What that does is basically makes the engine into a jet-engine by throwing flames out of the cylinder when it's still burning. That lets the gas expand in the exhaust manifold, thus adding energy to the turbocharger, keeping it spooled for when you get back on the throttle. This is dangerous to the turbo because that fire coming out of the engine is very hot, and only gets hotter as it burns. That makes exhaust temps skyrocket, which can damage the exhaust housing or the turbine wheel is used too much or if it's set up incorrectly. Good for a single race, but if you want to re-use the turbo, not such a good idea.

In both systems the wastegate functions as normal by controlling the exhaust flow bypassing around the turbine. I'm sure both have been used with a CT26, but I've only ever used a 2-step with mine. I could hear the turbo spin up, even at 2000rpm in neutral, it's very cool. I have heard of turbos being very severely damaged or destroyed by misuse of ALS settings...

If anyone sees anything way off, please correct me! :)
 

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its my understanding that both are bad for the turbo because in order to keep the boost, fuel has to be injected and ignited threw the turbo to keep spool decreasing the life of the turbo. correct me if im wrong?
 

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toyotanos;1512862 said:
ALS and 2-step are two different systems. Here's how I understand them both.

A 2-step rev limiter creates a second ignition cut point with no fuel control at all. It is usually used to spool a turbo on a manual transmission car for drag racing so you can launch with boost. Typically wired into the clutch switch so it only acts when the clutch is fully pressed. It makes noise and pops flames out the tailpipe, but doesn't adversely affect the turbo as badly as ALS does. The pops/flames are created by the exhaust system getting saturated with air-fuel mix coming out of the cylinders when the ignition is being cut off, then it being ignited when the ignition kicks back in.

Anti-lag (ALS) is a performance setup that is used in rally racing a lot, due to it's ability to keep the turbo spooled at all times. It works differently by retarding ignition timing and adding extra fuel to the engine during shifts and coasting. What that does is basically makes the engine into a jet-engine by throwing flames out of the cylinder when it's still burning. That lets the gas expand in the exhaust manifold, thus adding energy to the turbocharger, keeping it spooled for when you get back on the throttle. This is dangerous to the turbo because that fire coming out of the engine is very hot, and only gets hotter as it burns. That makes exhaust temps skyrocket, which can damage the exhaust housing or the turbine wheel is used too much or if it's set up incorrectly. Good for a single race, but if you want to re-use the turbo, not such a good idea.

In both systems the wastegate functions as normal by controlling the exhaust flow bypassing around the turbine. I'm sure both have been used with a CT26, but I've only ever used a 2-step with mine. I could hear the turbo spin up, even at 2000rpm in neutral, it's very cool. I have heard of turbos being very severely damaged or destroyed by misuse of ALS settings...

If anyone sees anything way off, please correct me! :)

Thanks for sharing your knowledge! I learned a few things, what 2 step have you used? and it was with the ct26?
 

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Same basic idea, the anti-lag is done on the fly while driving.

Both are hard on turboes, but that's like saying road racing is bad on brakes, it's a accepted risk for the benefit.
 

kamikazemkiii

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It must be 2step im wanting then, people who dont know what there talking about keep mixing me up.
Im just looking for off the line boost. How is als diffrent?
 

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Sounds like you want a 2-step rev limiter. There is a difference in turbo hardship between the two. ALS makes EGT's go much higher due to the late ignition and extra fuel, 2-step just cuts ignition while leaving fuel alone (yes, I know some fuel is pumped into the exhaust because ignition is cut, but the burn is not delayed like ALS). Yes, both are bad, but IMHO, ALS is much harder for the turbo to endure repeatedly vs 2-step.

I Have an AEM standalone EMS, and it is built in to the unit. Set the RPM, cut severity (soft to hard), and trigger (clutch switch or speed) and you're done!
 

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anti lag is like a 2 step but active all the time so that you always are in boost
if you want off the line then go 2 step
if you race around a track then with low speed sections then als if rules allow