500HP Motor Build..

AndrewMK3

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Tell me what you guys think, feel free to correct me or to throw in any suggestions:icon_bigg


Low Mileage 7m motor
Probe pistons(stock bore, .20?)
2.0 head gasket (torqued down)
arp studds
Turbo?(my goal is 450ish to the wheels)..


Thats all I have so far..
 

gaboonviper85

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AndrewMK3;1245530 said:
Tell me what you guys think, feel free to correct me or to throw in any suggestions:icon_bigg


Low Mileage 7m motor
Probe pistons(stock bore, .20?)
2.0 head gasket (torqued down)
arp studds
Turbo?(my goal is 450ish to the wheels)..


Thats all I have so far..

.020" is not stock...it's over bore

Head gasket thickness is determined only after block and head have been resurfaced..
 

Tire Shredder

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AndrewMK3;1245530 said:
Tell me what you guys think, feel free to correct me or to throw in any suggestions:icon_bigg


Low Mileage 7m motor
Probe pistons(stock bore, .20?)
2.0 head gasket (torqued down)
arp studds
Turbo?(my goal is 450ish to the wheels)..


Thats all I have so far..

I strongly suggest you call around to local machine shops and see who has experience building supra motors. It sounds like you do not have an understanding of the basics required to build your own engine.
 

MA702Tone

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AndrewMK3;1245530 said:
Tell me what you guys think, feel free to correct me or to throw in any suggestions:icon_bigg


Low Mileage 7m motor
Probe pistons(stock bore, .20?)
2.0 head gasket (torqued down)
arp studds
Turbo?(my goal is 450ish to the wheels)..


Thats all I have so far..


http://www.supramania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=534193&postcount=8

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=182731&postcount=23

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17572&highlight=maloof

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=180360&postcount=10

With the links above this should better help you better understand what you should do to make a kill 7M-GTE. As stated before a solid foundation is key makeing some mad horsepower and torque to the wheels. Not the crank. First ask your machine shop if they have a torque plate to use during bore and hone job. If they look at you funny or ask what a torque plate is find a more eduicated machine shop. Look around there shop see if there is a lot of clean, or dirty engines or heads laying around taged and ready to be booted out the door. This will help eduicate you if they are slow of backed up with work. Machine work is not a rushy process and takes time, knowlage, and attention to detail. Look for a clean shop or a dirty. If you can pretty much eat off of there work bench that is key point clue of a good shop. Look for a clutterd shop that is not acceptable for a machine shop. Ask questions, questions, questions for the machine shop about the process, and what they back up on there work. There are a ton of usefull info on S.M. parts are a fraction of the equasion to makeing reliable power from any engine, but if you have a asshat doing machine work thoes parts are as good as the paper you wipe you ass with. :icon_surp
 

suprafanatic

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If your looking for a BOLT on turbo to reach those power goals i suggest a LIpp Boss turbo!! I would suggest foreged rods, .20 bored out, with .20 over sized pistons.. i have .20 over sized Ross pistons and they are working great. Something else important to consider would be upgrading your oil pump. Have good oil pressure is a must in 7m's i have a high pressure Toga oil pump and i have quite a bit of oil pressure compared to stock. Helps your motor and turbo last longer. There are the other obvious upgrades you will need like Fuel system and tuning components like wideband and safc or somthing along those lines. Good luck with your build!
 

Keros

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That depends, are you asking for 500hp at the crank or at the wheels? There's usually a 20% diffrence between the two. To make 500rwhp, you're likely to need about 600hp at the crank. Note that most, if not all, automobile manufacturers list a car's performance stats in crank horsepower. 500hp at the crank would be about 420rwhp.

Anyway, many would be well to agree that a mostly stock 7M can attain 500 crank horsepower with little extras. An MLS (muilti-layered steel) headgasket (HKS is considered the best available), is moreless the main requirement for internal modification assuming the rest of the engine is healthy.

But since you have to machine the block and heads to get the HKS gasket in, you may as well shot-peen and beam polish the stock rods (or get forged rods), and do any machining that a GOOD engine builder recommends. Replace the bearings and make sure everything is in spec, new rings, new gaskets, and if you choose, new pistons. IIRC, Doward intended the Probe pistons to be used right in around 500hp.

A stock 7M head will reluctantly flow 500rwhp, but a port and polish will help the engine breathe alot better to get that kind of power. People have run that kind of power with stock valve train, but atleast replace the springs and stem seals to prevent a failure. You're not likely to enjoy your day should you break a spring at 6000rpm, interferance engine or not, lol.

A new timing belt, and fuel control and quantity to suit, and you should be ok for 500 crank horsepower. The pistons and rods aren't known to be reliable at anything more than 500hp, so you may want to consider forged internals if you ever want anything more. Keep in mind forged internals have disadvantages, there is no free lunch.

Pay to play, so go do some research... don't just take my word for it.
 

AndrewMK3

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Well.. I would like around 450 to the wheels.. this isnt my first car nor my first build.. I'm just asking for some advice. I'm not some kid that just watch fast n the furious and wants to do it.. I just want it to handle beautifully, it's not going to be a daily driver but I will drive it. What are the advantages of shot-peen?
 

suprafanatic

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shot-peening the stock rods makes them stronger. The rods i have in my built 7m are shot-peened rods.. im currently making right around 500hp, I have as stated shot-peened rods, over size .20 Ross pistons, new rings, new bearings, cometic MHG with arp studs, new valves and valve springs, and a 5 angle valve job.
 

Fuzz420

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AndrewMK3;1245530 said:
Tell me what you guys think, feel free to correct me or to throw in any suggestions:icon_bigg


Low Mileage 7m motor
Probe pistons(stock bore, .20?)
2.0 head gasket (torqued down)
arp studds
Turbo?(my goal is 450ish to the wheels)..


Thats all I have so far..
I have exactly what you have listed. Im not at 450 but after a tune ill be close. Race gas say good bye 450's and hello 500's
suprafanatic;1246742 said:
shot-peening the stock rods makes them stronger. The rods i have in my built 7m are shot-peened rods.. im currently making right around 500hp, I have as stated shot-peened rods, over size .20 Ross pistons, new rings, new bearings, cometic MHG with arp studs, new valves and valve springs, and a 5 angle valve job.

Are you running arp's on your rods?
 

Keros

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IJ.;1246846 said:
irony?

the guy trying to "educate" the newb can't spell it ;)

My generation's stance on English:

It done matter wat edumactation U has, long as u can rite gud, its ok. I got a gud job and so can u 2. Speling dont mater, no 1 cares bout speling now, just type it.