Curious as to how much horsepower can be made at the wheels with the stock 440cc injectors, stock AFM, with the addition of the Greddy Emanage Blue and Profec E-01 boost controller. 400 WHP possible??? WHP???
440cc + Stock AFM + Emanage = Max HP???
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none until you get those injectors cleaned and flow balanced. Either that or just buy brand new 550cc injectors, they will balance out the afm and you should be set. also what other mods do you have in mind? stock exhaust is gonna be a big block and it will just make you lag and create far too many underhood temps.
Bondango
Supra Specialists Ireland
Clifton said:
As long as all supporting mods and general condition of the engine/cooling system are up to the job.
Personally i would'nt go for the emanage, id source a VPC and 550 chip which would be a better upgrade when combined with an SAFC
I would go MAFT Pro and lose the AFM entirely. Make sure to have those injectors flow tested...it truly is cheap insurance.
This is what I have so far...Freshly built 7MGTE block w/ new oil pump, timing belt, tensioner, waterpump, new gaskets, rebuilt head (all internals new as well), ARP head studs, TMS 1.4mm metal head gasket, ported exhaust manifold, SPGT61 turbo w/SSP 3" elbow, 3" downpipe and exhaust, individual coil conversion kit w/supra tt coils, custom intercooler hard pipes w/stock intercooler, HKS SSQV, Emanage Blue, Profec E-01, stock injectors and AFM.
I'm looking to boost around 14psi in hopes of achieving 350-400rwhp. If this is unrealistic with this setup let me know. Any help, recommendations are welcomed, as well as criticizm, as I am new to the MKIII Supra. Thanks for the responses.
All mechanical work has been done by myself and the only part that will require outside hands is the tuning as I have not touched on that yet.:1zhelp:
I'm looking to boost around 14psi in hopes of achieving 350-400rwhp. If this is unrealistic with this setup let me know. Any help, recommendations are welcomed, as well as criticizm, as I am new to the MKIII Supra. Thanks for the responses.
All mechanical work has been done by myself and the only part that will require outside hands is the tuning as I have not touched on that yet.:1zhelp:
Reason for staying with the AFM is so that it looks stock should I need to open the hood for inspections. The car will be lowered 1.5" with SupraTT wheels. I want to keep it as much a sleeper as I can.
Go MAFT Pro, and just leave the AFM on there. You could even leave the plug connected, and just disconnect the wires somewhere else. 
I've always wondered how people in California can tell if something is stock or aftermarket anyway - do they really memorize EVERY car?
I've always wondered how people in California can tell if something is stock or aftermarket anyway - do they really memorize EVERY car?
reckless916 said:
350rwhp might be possible but that is pushing it at 14 psi, especially with that turbo and a stock afm. You can make 400 but it will need a few more psi to do it.
JustAnotherVictim
Supramania Contributor
They only look for certain things and then send you to a state ref who then has a check book on what to look for.GrimJack said:Go MAFT Pro, and just leave the AFM on there. You could even leave the plug connected, and just disconnect the wires somewhere else.
I've always wondered how people in California can tell if something is stock or aftermarket anyway - do they really memorize EVERY car?
Sometimes you get a guy who knows other times you don't.
I'd like Maft Pro personally also.
Any suggestions on how I can reach 400rwhp??? with the SPGT61 turbo how much boost will I need??? Can my block handle it, it is rebuilt but with stock components, no aftermarket pistons or rods...Thanks for the help.:icon_bigg
^^^No Problem^^^
a stock block is fine.
I broke all the rules and tons of people on this board (clifton not included) would tell you I was 100% wrong the way I did it.
I put a 7M in a Z with a little help from Clifton. So obviously there were a ton of things I did right out of the box that a stock Supra dosent have. But the very first thing I did and I recommend you do is BUY A WIDEBAND!!! You cant possibly know if the change you made is putting you in danger until you OWN a wideband
After the car first ran I drover straight to emissions. It passed with flying colors (for the 1971 standards it had to pass) I drove it for another week or so before I borrowed Cliftons WB and in the first 30 seconds after installing it found a problem (a severed stock O2 wire I didnt know about previously). That night I got on line and ordered my own.
I have a 7MGTE with a FULL T4 60-1 @ 10psi (not a CT hybrid) 3 inch exhaust, 3 inch intercooler plumbing, huge 24x12x4 inch core IC, 2mm MHG, ARP studs, stock 440 injectors, Walbro, no J-tube (not that I considered that a mod), 38mm Tial copy WG, a manual boost controller, and get this a LEX AFM. Remember I have stock 440's!!! Everyone said this was WRONG, but I had a WB from about day one and I always knew it was fine and could make sure it was fine when every I made a change.
BTW the 38mm WG wouldnt flow enough to keep the boost as low as 10 psi in the high RPM ranges so it would creep to 13 psi. Once 1 set it at or above 13 psi it would stay right where I put it.
I dynoed it at the 10 creeping to 13 and it made 335 RWHP. So with a good IC and supporting mods I believe 350 whp should be no problem with 16psi
a stock block is fine.
I broke all the rules and tons of people on this board (clifton not included) would tell you I was 100% wrong the way I did it.
I put a 7M in a Z with a little help from Clifton. So obviously there were a ton of things I did right out of the box that a stock Supra dosent have. But the very first thing I did and I recommend you do is BUY A WIDEBAND!!! You cant possibly know if the change you made is putting you in danger until you OWN a wideband
After the car first ran I drover straight to emissions. It passed with flying colors (for the 1971 standards it had to pass) I drove it for another week or so before I borrowed Cliftons WB and in the first 30 seconds after installing it found a problem (a severed stock O2 wire I didnt know about previously). That night I got on line and ordered my own.
I have a 7MGTE with a FULL T4 60-1 @ 10psi (not a CT hybrid) 3 inch exhaust, 3 inch intercooler plumbing, huge 24x12x4 inch core IC, 2mm MHG, ARP studs, stock 440 injectors, Walbro, no J-tube (not that I considered that a mod), 38mm Tial copy WG, a manual boost controller, and get this a LEX AFM. Remember I have stock 440's!!! Everyone said this was WRONG, but I had a WB from about day one and I always knew it was fine and could make sure it was fine when every I made a change.
BTW the 38mm WG wouldnt flow enough to keep the boost as low as 10 psi in the high RPM ranges so it would creep to 13 psi. Once 1 set it at or above 13 psi it would stay right where I put it.
I dynoed it at the 10 creeping to 13 and it made 335 RWHP. So with a good IC and supporting mods I believe 350 whp should be no problem with 16psi
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arz said:
What are you using to control fuel? Or are u using the walbro with no fuel restriction with the stock FPR and ecu?
For fuel control, I'm using a walbro 255lph fuel pump, AEM adjustable fpr, rebuilt stock 440cc injectors, and greddy emanage blue to tune. I would really like to see 400rwhp out of this setup, especially because I've already put about $5,000 into the car. I appreciate all your guys help. Thanks.:icon_bigg
400 rwhp shouldn't be a problem. JBL went well over 400 with stock injectors, using a CT hybrid 60-1 IIRC.
Stock FPR, and stock ECU.
Man everybody just loves an AFPR. I dont see why. The stock FPR is made for a Turbo, just use it.
GET A WIDEBAND!!!
I bought the engine and trans and ECU for $750, IC for $230, T4 60-1 for $450 used, Tial WG copy for ~$150 a walbro, MHG, ARP studs and built my exhaust and IC plumbing myself. I believe I spent less than anyone I know to make close to 500 HP. You NEED a wideband if you plan on making any changes with that Greddy Emanage.
I believe that jbl used a to4e 60 trim is there a difference between the 60-1 or 60 trim but any way a wideband would help alot in the tuning department of your project i believe jbl did 435rwhp on the stock cleaned and balanced stock 440's impressive good luck with the project....:evil2:
Got it...ARZ, I'll get a wideband. I'll tune it with the stock fpr first and if it holds well, then I'll sell the adjustable fpr. Reason why the project costs so much is because of the paint job and interior as well. Basically I picked up a shell for 300.00 and started from there. I guess I could have picked up a running supra for 5,000 but I wanted a car that had 5,000 worth of what I wanted. Plus it's more satisfying that way. Thanks again everyone for your inputs.
Arz i am wit ya man..... I dont see why either. Matter of fact on the NA-T website the 2jz(NON-TURBO) guys seem to like our stock 440's and with the lex afm for a basic upgrade.
They add a 3mm head gasket cometic HG, t4 turbo, lex afm, 440's, exhaust, and the 7m IC piping and dyno over 400rwhp all the time.
I find ironic that the mkiii guys are againt the whole idea of the 440's and the lex afm. I guess its b/c the MkIV TT guys use 550's soooooo we have to use 550's too.
To sum it all up the 440's will flow over 400rwhp which is more power than the average MKiii will have.....
However our stock fuel system is almost 20years old and it would be a great idea to get the injectors cleaned and flown and while you are at get a walbro pump which is only $100.
They add a 3mm head gasket cometic HG, t4 turbo, lex afm, 440's, exhaust, and the 7m IC piping and dyno over 400rwhp all the time.
I find ironic that the mkiii guys are againt the whole idea of the 440's and the lex afm. I guess its b/c the MkIV TT guys use 550's soooooo we have to use 550's too.
To sum it all up the 440's will flow over 400rwhp which is more power than the average MKiii will have.....
However our stock fuel system is almost 20years old and it would be a great idea to get the injectors cleaned and flown and while you are at get a walbro pump which is only $100.
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