2jz ffim

rot 90na-t

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ive been considering converting to a 2jz ffim before i get the car runnin, but i dont know exactly what else i need to convert as far as electronics, vacuum lines, etc.. if someone could point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated:1zhelp:
thanks

chris
 

jkbmkiii

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rot 90na-t said:
ive been considering converting to a 2jz ffim before i get the car runnin, but i dont know exactly what else i need to convert as far as electronics, vacuum lines, etc.. if someone could point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated:1zhelp:
thanks

chris


1JZ intake manifolds are cheaper if you are going to hack one up to make it fit on a 7m, you still coming by next weekend?
 

rot 90na-t

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jkbmkiii said:
1JZ intake manifolds are cheaper if you are going to hack one up to make it fit on a 7m, you still coming by next weekend?
oh ya? ill look into those then, i just had one guy offer me everything for like 150 or somethin but i cant remember... and ya im still comin, probably drive down saturday but ill keep in touch and let u know...
 

rot 90na-t

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ive read over that thread a few times but nothin says how to wire up the new throttle body.. obviously there are going to be different connections and im not exactly wiring savvy.. i would be lookin into 2j or 1j mani and tb combo just to make things simple.. at least i hope
 

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Kruso said:
Sup guys, havent posted in this section in a little while. Since I've done my 2J manifold conversion on my 7M alot of people have asked me countless questions as far as how to go about doing the upgrade and how to overcome certain problems. I hope this thread gets made into a sticky because its a mod that should be recognized for what it is, alot of extra hps out of something fairly simple. Below is a picture of the 2J manifold installed on my MKIII, for those who dont know of what Im talking about...

2jzintake11.jpg


To first cut to the chase and give you guys a better idea asto what kind of power difference Im talking about...My car dynoed at 259.7hp and 279 ft tq on STOCK turbo and STOCK boost. My car was the " dirty 90+, that the PHR guy was making fun of" as someone put it. The mods that were done to the car at the time of the dyno were the following:

K & N Intake
3" Cat back, 3" down pipe along with a stock gutted cat
And last but not least.....MKIV Intake manifold custom welded to fit my 7M with an NPR intercooler

The fuel delivery system, AFM, Injectors, and the Engine internals were ALL BONE STOCK. The car doesnt have any sort of aftermarket electronics in it aswell, no AVCR, no SAFC, and FCD, the car does not even contain an aftermarket boost gauge to give you an idea of how stock this car is.

Anyways....this is the question i've gotten asked alot, I've responded to many with as much knowledge as I have regarding this upgrade but sometimes writing a two page email or a pm to someone only to find out that they're PM box was full and every thing you just wrote was a waste of time because hitting the back button erases everything just aggravates me. The question is "How did you over come the TPS issue?" and the answer is to say is pretty simple but to do is sort of complicated.

To those of you who dont know what that question is referring to, the MKIV TPS puts out the wrong resistance for our injectors and just slapping on the MKIII TPS is not feasible because the 7M throttle body opens in the opposite direction compared to the the MKIV throttle body, thus rendering both TPS's useless.

There are two ways you can go about overcomming that issue. The first is to REVERSE the actuall MKIV throttle butterfly and change the direction the flap opens to where it opens COUNTER clockwise, the same direction our stock 7M throttle body opens. Doing so will allow you to mount the stock 7M TPS onto the same location of the MKIV TPS. Doing this will get rid of your TPS issue but leaves you with another issue....reversing the butterfly creates a gash which is caused by the butterfly not being flush when the throttle is closed all the way. This can be over come by simply having excess aluminum welded in and shaved out to create a new border for the butterfly getting rid of the gash, or something a little more temporary like JB welding and molding the edges to work. Leaving the gash there will cause the car to idle at 6000 RPM.

The second way to go about doing this is what I will attempt next, its fairly simple and a much more cleaner install. You can get the MKIV TPS and change out the resisntance being output by the TPS itself to match the 7M resistance. These resistance will go on right before the harness is attatched to the TPS (so in a sense in the middle of the TPS and the harness jack). I've been told that these resistance can be had from a local radio shack but will let you guys know when I try and successfully finish that conversion.

Another problem that you guys will encounter is that the stock FPR gets in the way of the MKIV TB, in which case you will need to either go with aftermarket FPR or go to home depo and purchase a few copper conjunctions and lines totalling no more then twenty bucks to just simply move the FPR about six inches to the right where it clears the TB.

Hope this answers any questions you guys might have had and removed any doubts about the power with the actuall figures and definitely hope to see more 2J converted 7M's running around, as of right now there's only a hand full of peopl with these.

Kruso
 

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what if you went with an aftermarket throttle body then would you still have a problem of the tps? and about how much does a 2jz manifold cost?
 

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I've got one if someone wants it, pm me if your interested. the lower runners are cut though, cuz they were in process of being modified to work with a 7m before the guy I had doing it got fed up and made me a veilside instead, doubled what i got for it so whatever. but it still leaves me with a 2j FFIM and throttle body. you would just have to figure out the lower runners
 

jester1341

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i read this and this mod sounds fairly simply and straight foward.... the thing i do not see addressed and assume must be the hard part is actiually ataching the mani...

i am rebuilding and plan to go with the Aremotive AFPR and would have no problem adding resistors inline to the TPS.....but how hard is it fit the lower mani to the block???

also out of curiosity what issues are there when swapping on a 1J ffim??

john
 

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dont use stock shit because its SHIT.

1jz is no good because the internal plenum volume is not great enough for a 3 liter engine. ideally, you want at least half the swept volume of the engine. so at least 1.5L internal volume in the plenum to act as a surge tank.

2jz is no good because of the EGR passage inside. it shrouds the intake runners on the rear half othe manifold. Sound performance has created a work around by milling off the top half of the plenum. they then mill out the EGR passage inside the plenum to increase overall volume and unshroud the runners. when thats done, they weld a rounded cap on the top of the plenum which further increases the internal volume, as opposed to the flat-top on the stock manifold

i know someone who has a cleanly installed 2jz upper, welded to the flange of the 7M upper. looks great, but hes got more money invested in an inferior solution than if he had just bought an FFI from Ron.
 

jester1341

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i'm still wondering if the runners are plug and play

but fluby, [or anyone] what is the cost comparison between a 2j FFIM and a custom from SP or Ron??

john
 

rot 90na-t

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jester1341 said:
i'm still wondering if the runners are plug and play

but fluby, [or anyone] what is the cost comparison between a 2j FFIM and a custom from SP or Ron??

john

no you have to weld the 7m runners to your new upper manifold... and i think they're around $450+(correct me if im wrong) for the premade ffims w/o TB...
 

jester1341

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seams like kind of a pricey mod for me at current.....i doubt this is something i will be worrying about before my car pounds the pavment again

john
 

jester1341

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okay so if one were to purchase one of these...greddy ffim

to make it work for me i would have to buy a 2JZ lower intake mani and cut it in half and weld that to my 7M lower half of a lower intake mani and then add my own Q45 TB.... right?? for 72 bux and whatever for a lower intake mani it dosnt seam like it would be so hard to take both to a machine shop and say i need these cut in half and welded to together......

john
 

tig321

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I have no real experiece with ffim manifold (yet) but I'll tell you what I think.
rot 90na-t said:
ive been considering converting to a 2jz ffim before i get the car runnin...
Get your car running first. You want to be sure your car ran before you start screwing around with something you don't yet have any experience with.

mk3design said:
Rons mani's are high quality, well thought out, have options and have been proven to work well. They are not alot of money when you consider the work goes into them.
jester1341 said:
okay so if one were to purchase one of these...greddy ffim...

I'd stay away from that ebay "greddy" stuff. I can barely even tell what there selling, the pics are crap.
Having 2 manifolds cut in half and welded together would take many hours and alot of $$$. It wouldn't be as good as one of Ron's, and would cost almost as much.
That's my .02 on that subject.
Good luck on your car. Mine's being currently in the machine shop. (the engine that is) I've owned it for months now and have only driven it for and hour due to BHG) I can't wait to drive it:icon_bigg . I plan on a ffim and custom ex mani to fit a T04-E. When I get that worked out I plan to step up to a GT series turbo::aigo:
If you do decide to go ffim go with Ron's. I don't know the guy but he does nice work. I'm a welder so I'd know better than most the work involved.:runaway:
 

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youll probaly have $500 tied up in mating a 2jz upper to the 7m runners in no-time flat. ask negativegeforce/Dan. he has this setup w/ a Q45TB. it looks bad ass, but for the money he spent, he could have had the baddest assed manifold ron makes WITH a alt drop-bracket.