1JZ>1.5JZ<2JZ Discussion

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Just a thought but I think 1.5JZ should be under the 1J section not the 2J section of GTE power.

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Idealsupra said:
except its pretty much a 2j? its a 2j with a more restrictive head on it...
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Exactly how is it 'pretty much' a 2J?

If a member with a 3.4L 2J stroker applies, where do you think it's going to be put?

In the 2J section.

1.5JZ is 1J stroker. IMO it should just be in the 1J section.
 
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OneJoeZee said:
Exactly how is it 'pretty much' a 2J?

If a member with a 3.4L 2J stroker applies, where do you think it's going to be put?

In the 2J section.

1.5JZ is 1J stroker. IMO it should just be in the 1J section.
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oh really? what is the block stamp? yeah thats what i thought. sorry any way you slice it its a 2J with a worse head.

a stroked 2jz is still a 2jz block and bottom end.
 
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How can you call a 3L 1J a 2J with a worse head? The engine starts as a 1J then switches to a stroked block. It doesn't start as a 2J then switched to a 1J block. It's still a 1JZ but is noted as 1.5JZ for an informational purpose.

It's apparent the 3L 1J is grouped with the 2JZ on the site because of displacement. But I don't think that's the correct way to do it since a 2J displacing more than 3L would still be in the 2J section.

How much air/power the head can flow is what's important.

A 1JZ is still a 1JZ whether it has a 2.5L or 3L block under its head and should be in the 1J section IMO.

A 2JZ is still a 2JZ whether it has a 3L or 3.4L block under its head and would be in the 2J section.
 
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Idealsupra said:
oh really? what is the block stamp? yeah thats what i thought. sorry any way you slice it its a 2J with a worse head.

a stroked 2jz is still a 2jz block and bottom end.
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1.5JZ in it's own section would be fine too.

Either way, the point I wanted to make was that the two JZ sections looked to be grouped based on displacement.

It's Duane's site so he gets to decide. If he wants to leave 1.5JZ in the 2J section, then it is what it is. But I think it would get a little complicated once you add members with 3.4L 2Js in there. Then you would have 1.5JZ, 2JZ, and 3.4 2JZ in the same section.

2.5L 1J and 3L 1J in the same section.

3L 2J and 3.4L 2J in the same section.

If I switch to a 3L block later on, I wouldn't want my space on the page to be moved.
 
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BorHor said:
I see your point Joe but I think you are making it more complicated then it should be.
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It's not anymore complicated than it already is.

The only thing that would need to change would be for the website to say

"1JZ/1.5JZ -----2JZ"

Instead of

"1JZ ----- 2JZ/1.5JZ"

That's all. It would be easy considering the site doesn't have members in either section yet anyway.

The website isn't MK3 specific, so you can bet on stroker 2J members to show up eventually and they would be under the 2J section still since it's still a 2J.

What about our member Racerxj220? He has both. a 2.5L 2J and a 3L 1J. Where would he fit in if he applied?
 
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We're not talking about stock cars. They all have to be over 500hp in the first place, so IMO the head is what's important.

Turbo kit, cams, headwork, upgraded intake manifold, etc. All of those would be specific to either head and would better be organized in a section based on the head.
 
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OneJoeZee said:
We're not talking about stock cars. They all have to be over 500hp in the first place, so IMO the head is what's important.

Turbo kit, cams, headwork, upgraded intake manifold, etc. All of those would be specific to either head and would better be organized in a section based on the head.
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LMAO so you saying the head is more important than the block??
 
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What I'm saying is when looking at the engine build what is important in making 500hp or whatever power level the applicant has?

What are the power adders to get to 500+? turbo kit, cams, headwork, upgraded intake manifold, whatever. All of those upgrades would be specific to each head and would better bet grouped as such whether it be a 2.5L 1J, 3L 1J, 3.4L 1J, 3L 2J, 3.4L 2J or whatever setup you have.
 
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And I think it should be in the 1J section because it's using a 1J head.

I plan to qualify for the site sometime this year. Once my section is done, if I ever decide to switch to a 3L block, I wouldn't want my section moved. It's still a 1J to me. The 3L block wouldn't be what got me on the site. Everything else associated with the 1J head would be.

It's Duane's site. I don't expect this to be voted on. He'll either change it or he won't. It's not like it would take a bunch of effort to change the section text. Just thought I would give a perspective that he may not have thought of when making the site.
 
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1.5J's where made to cheat the system in japan...

pop the hood on a car and it looks like a 1J, but with more displacement...

honestly, this might have to go into the "OTHER" section along with aaron's destroked 7M...
 
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